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ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#76: Aug 15th 2021 at 2:12:44 PM

[up] Should we post another bulletin in ATT and wait a few days?

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#77: Aug 15th 2021 at 5:13:07 PM

[up]It probably wouldn't hurt, but it looks like the only one that doesn't have at least ten votes has a strongly negative ratio, and thus probably isn't going to be changed anyway.

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#78: Aug 15th 2021 at 5:14:01 PM

Actually, those votes came after Imp plugged it in ATT just earlier today. Earlier, everything was in the 8 and 9's.

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#79: Aug 19th 2021 at 3:07:26 PM

Bump for votes, since I think 15 is usually the consensus range, and not everything has that many votes. That said, a lot of the options that have under 15 votes are still overwhelmingly in favor of merging.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 19th 2021 at 5:07:45 AM

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#80: Aug 19th 2021 at 7:32:58 PM

So how are we determining consensus? Are we merging anything with a positive ratio, or only things with a 2:1 ratio in favor of merging?

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#82: Aug 20th 2021 at 9:27:59 AM

[up] That is correct. Consensus must be 2:1 or greater.

I'll give the crowner a couple more days so more can chime in.

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#83: Aug 27th 2021 at 11:29:11 AM

It's been a week. We ready to call?

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#84: Aug 27th 2021 at 5:45:03 PM

[up]Have you tried hollering to ask the mods?

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#85: Aug 27th 2021 at 5:55:35 PM

Not yet. Sometimes they show up after I simply bump.

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#87: Aug 28th 2021 at 8:59:08 AM

I'll work on a sandbox for the useful notes page over the next couple days. I guess it's up to everyone else if we want to start dewicking now or wait until there's something to replace wicks with, but I'd appreciate it if we didn't cut or redirect anything before I have the chance to copy stuff over to the sandbox.

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#88: Aug 30th 2021 at 12:19:28 AM

Ok, I have a sandbox page up. Everyone here is invited to look at it and critique it. I didn't include anything under an "examples" or "looks like this fallacy but isn't" heading because I don't want people to think it's a trope page or for it to be too long. I also merged Argumentum Ad Lapidem into the Appeal to Ridicule folder because the description on that page is really anemic.

Also, I think that instead of merging Sound/Valid/True into this page, we should move it to Useful Notes as is.

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#89: Aug 30th 2021 at 1:20:57 AM

I am not sure what purpose moving Sound/Valid/True to Useful Notes would serve. Perhaps it's my concerns about the proliferation of low-relevance pages in that namespace showing, but it seems pointless to me.

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#90: Aug 30th 2021 at 9:07:11 AM

Ok, that's fair. I mostly proposed it because I don't really know how to fit it into the sandbox.

FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#91: Sep 1st 2021 at 10:51:28 AM

So how's this one going? What remains to be done?

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#92: Sep 1st 2021 at 10:53:18 AM

I've copied stuff over to the useful notes draft page I linked above. I'd like some feedback on it before I launch it.

The pages we're merging still need to be dewicked, but I don't know if we should start that now or wait until we have a page to replace the links with.

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#93: Sep 6th 2021 at 2:51:48 PM

So... does anyone have any feedback on the sandbox?

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#94: Sep 6th 2021 at 4:01:31 PM

If this is going to be a separate page, the quote and the description need to be changed (or removed in the former's case) on either the new page or the main Logical Fallacies index. Currently, they're either exactly the same or close to it.

If we're using this text for the new page and changing the index's text, the latter should probably have a sandbox of its own.

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#95: Sep 6th 2021 at 5:40:47 PM

Yeah, I probably should have mentioned that I'm going to replace the text on the Main/ page with a single sentence like "Tropes about characters failing at logic." You know, like a regular index.

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#97: Sep 24th 2021 at 8:43:53 PM

Checking on progress. Which ones are left to merge?

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#98: Sep 25th 2021 at 5:10:35 AM

Seems like all of the ones we agreed on are merged? I don't see any problems with the sandbox, except for maybe the description as stated above. Are we fine with dewicking now?

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#99: Sep 25th 2021 at 5:47:14 AM

I think it's safe to just put the sandbox in place and shorten the description of the main Logical Fallacies page (since most of what's in its description now will be going on the new page), then turn the merged fallacy pages into redirects to the new page.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 25th 2021 at 7:47:34 AM

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#100: Sep 27th 2021 at 3:59:49 PM

Yeah, let's swap and dewick.

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Logical Fallacies is an index with a lot of stub pages in it. Should they be merged?

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