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Piterpicher Dislikes soulless stuff from Poland, for real Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
Dislikes soulless stuff
Jul 5th 2021 at 7:00:58 AM

Some pages on Logical Fallacies are not thriving, yet are not marked as Definition-Only Pages. Apparently they were unilateraly split in 2010. Please, give feedback.

    Original OP 
This trope has existed since 2010, but there are only 5 wicks. That means Starving on Wick, so it's not performing well enough. I vote to officially make it one of the Definition-Only Pages like other logical fallacies.

Maybe we could make it for other not-thriving pages on Logical Fallacies to officially ask if people want them all to be def-only and speed up the process (similar to the Wiki Tropes thread), I'll check for them if people agree.

Edited by Piterpicher on Jul 8th 2021 at 5:41:24 PM

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Berrenta Winter is coming... from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Winter is coming...
Jul 5th 2021 at 7:10:07 AM

Opened.

Seconding Definition only and pitching other such pages that can be considered as such here. That should lighten the load.

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jandn2014 Hangs around Image Pickiní a lot from somewhere in Connecticut Relationship Status: Hiding
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themayorofsimpleton Keeping my head on straight from The moon and the stars Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Keeping my head on straight
Ordeaux26 The King of the Penguins from Minecraft Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The King of the Penguins
mightymewtron "See? Kisses!" from New New York Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
"See? Kisses!"
Jul 5th 2021 at 8:42:11 AM

Instead of making it definition only, I suggest we add it to the glossary on Logical Fallacies and cut the individual page altogether. I'd also suggest that for other pages.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
themayorofsimpleton Keeping my head on straight from The moon and the stars Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Keeping my head on straight
Jul 5th 2021 at 8:44:00 AM

[up] Good point. Changing my vote to the above.

I still support a Logical Fallacies thread BTW.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jul 5th 2021 at 11:44:14 AM

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WarJay77 The cutest little army from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The cutest little army
Jul 5th 2021 at 9:43:34 AM

I third Mew's idea. I don't see much point in a definition only page for...this.

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Piterpicher Dislikes soulless stuff from Poland, for real Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
Dislikes soulless stuff
Jul 5th 2021 at 11:31:07 AM

Alright, as my proposal seemed to have approval, I checked other Logical Fallacies that are on Pages Needing Wicks but not on Definition-Only Pages (also my thoughts, I avoided cutting and assume def-only in worst case scenarios, but if people want to cut and merge with the index I guess they can):

What do you people think about these? Should I make a Wiki Tropes-like sandbox and use a voting system?

Edited by Piterpicher on Jul 5th 2021 at 8:33:51 PM

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GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Jul 5th 2021 at 1:29:11 PM

I don't mind the idea of making all of the Logical Fallacies pages definition-only, but I might have to think about it a bit more before making a definitive decision.

At the very least, I already agree with making Ad Hoc definition-only.

Edit: And yeah, a sandbox would probably be the best way to handle the Logical Fallacies pages. I think I may have seen Logical Fallacies itself listed on Tropes Needing TRS, but I could be misremembering.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 5th 2021 at 3:31:57 AM

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themayorofsimpleton Keeping my head on straight from The moon and the stars Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Keeping my head on straight
Jul 5th 2021 at 3:39:22 PM

[up] You are not misremembering:

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WarJay77 The cutest little army from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The cutest little army
Jul 5th 2021 at 3:50:56 PM

I'm not against the batch idea, but don't we need a thread for it? I don't know if we can just convert this one into a batch thread.

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GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Jul 5th 2021 at 6:54:39 PM

[up]The thread that expanded Author's Saving Throw's definition was originally just for video game subpages, but eventually gained mod approval to be about the concept as a whole. Maybe we could ask a mod whether this thread can be converted into a general Logical Fallacies thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 5th 2021 at 8:55:03 AM

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Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
Jul 5th 2021 at 9:02:50 PM

A Logical Fallacy thread should be created.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Jul 5th 2021 at 12:03:33 PM

Kirby is awesome.
GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Jul 5th 2021 at 10:00:22 PM

I hollered post 10 to see what the mods think about using this thread for other Logical Fallacies. I specifically hollered that post because it has a list of fallacies whose pages aren't thriving.

Edit: Also, I noticed that Just World Fallacy is a redirect to the main Logical Fallacies page instead of having a separate page, but I don't know if there was a TRS thread for that.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 5th 2021 at 12:02:14 PM

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mightymewtron "See? Kisses!" from New New York Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
"See? Kisses!"
Jul 5th 2021 at 10:04:16 PM

I don't mind making Logical Fallacies UN page either. I don't see the point of splitting the different fallacies to be definition-only. At that rate, just add them to the main LF page, cuz they'll probably be short anyway.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jul 6th 2021 at 2:46:54 AM

I can see expanding the scope of this thread. I think a merge crowner or so would be warranted, since this problem dates back to 2010 when someone unilaterally split Logical Fallacies. The problem would be if the discussion gets bogged down into a debate on each individual page.

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WarJay77 The cutest little army from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The cutest little army
Jul 6th 2021 at 11:25:27 AM

Personally my opinion on every page will be the exact same, so I won't have much to debate about. [lol]

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Piterpicher Dislikes soulless stuff from Poland, for real Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
Dislikes soulless stuff
Jul 6th 2021 at 1:23:29 PM

I tried to have different votes as I did find some on-page examples interesting and could see why someone wanted to expand the pages to explain them more throughly, though that is my opinion. Still, I guess we have approval to make this a general not-thriving Logical Fallacies thread.

Edited by Piterpicher on Jul 6th 2021 at 10:24:52 AM

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Berrenta MOD Winter is coming... from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Winter is coming...
Jul 7th 2021 at 6:54:57 AM

Adjusted title to reflect making it a thread for Logical Fallacies in general.

Edited by Berrenta on Jul 7th 2021 at 8:55:13 AM

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Kevjro7 Susjection!
Susjection!
Jul 7th 2021 at 10:55:34 AM

I thought Logical Fallacies was supposed to be an index for logical fallacies, not a trope. Don't indexes get a pass for low wick counts? Even if they don't, Logical Fallacies has 422 wicks anyway.

Piterpicher Dislikes soulless stuff from Poland, for real Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
Dislikes soulless stuff
Jul 7th 2021 at 11:01:43 AM

It's about the subtropes on Logical Fallacies that are not thriving and not listed on Definition-Only Pages. You can see them in my post above. Oh, and thx Berrenta for the thread name change.

Edited by Piterpicher on Jul 7th 2021 at 8:02:33 PM

Responsible for approx. 50% of idle game coverage, 20% of Big Fish Games, 8% of Japan-only adventure games, and putting smiles on faces.
Jul 7th 2021 at 2:50:39 PM

What was the original thread name?

WarJay77 The cutest little army from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The cutest little army

SingleProposition: LogicalFallacies
26th Jul '21 12:41:53 AM

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Logical Fallacies is an index with a lot of stub pages in it. Should they be merged?

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