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Has anyone brought the possibility of a rename? That seems like a good way to deal with the "schoolgirls who are lesbians" misuse. Especially because the redefinition changes it from being about a type of character to a type of story.
Edited by TheMountainKing on Sep 16th 2021 at 3:56:12 PM
Voted against making the new trope Always Female, because I know I've seen stories set in all-boys boarding schools where romances between boys were treated as a thing that they would grow out of.
That kinda sounds more like Situational Sexuality, TBH.
For the proposed redefinition: Coming-of-Age Queer Romance
If the school part is essential: Coming-of-Age Queer School Romance
If the female part is essential: Coming-of-Age (Queer) Schoolgirl Romance
Edited by Twiddler on Sep 16th 2021 at 8:43:02 AM
I added a rename option to the crowner, per what was said above.
Alright, I announced this thread in ATT for more votes. Wasn't particularly involved in this discussion but I felt this trope could use more votes.
Please note that voting up rename/redefine is essentially the same as voting for disambiguating the page Schoolgirl Lesbians. A rename&redefine is a new trope page.
That's true, but redefining without renaming almost certainly means we'll be back here before long to deal with widespread misuse, in addition to just having a trope with a confusing name.
Aye, voted the rename and disambiguation up for exactly this reason. Keeping the name Schoolgirl Lesbians almost certainly will perpetrate misusage.
Not sure if the crowner is safe to call yet, but of the options with a positive ratio:
The other options have more nays than yeas.
I'd be very wary of calling the crowner at this stage unless someone of the "no rename" crowd can come and justify keeping a name, Schoolgirl Lesbians, which has drawn shoehorning of "lesbians in school" for about a decade.
I was already thinking that the rename option could use more votes, considering how much smaller its tally is compared to the other options with a positive ratio. That's why I didn't holler to ask whether the crowner could be called.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 19th 2021 at 4:07:39 AM
Well I just upvoted the rename option. Don't know how I missed that, but at least I've now voted.
Should we post another ATT bulletin to advertise the rename option, since it was added a bit later than the others and doesn't appear to have gotten as much attention as the other options?
I'm not concerned about the outcome of that option as much as how much smaller its vote count is compared to the other options with a positive ratio (31 for creating a new trope, 25 for redefining, and 18 for renaming).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 20th 2021 at 12:37:37 PM
The crowner's been up for about a week, so is it safe to call? The only way I could see it getting more votes is if we posted a second ATT bulletin.
Calling crowner in favour of:
Since we're essentially cutting Schoolgirl Lesbians and creating two new tropes, would it be best to just start dewicking and bring the new tropes to TLP?
Let's pen up definitions for both, first.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Sep 25th 2021 at 6:15:34 PM
So, anybody up for doing write-ups?
Bumping again to ask if anyone (particularly the people who proposed the new definitions, wants to do a write-up. Or has any name ideas.
Definition 1 (Queer Phase)
This needs to be expanded i dont know as much about this one
side note- should i mention that this could also be a side story in another story? thoughts on that? i see this exact thing lots of times without a requirement that it be the main characters
A collection of traits which form a specific type of queer Coming of Age romance story.
This is a Coming of Age romance with an element of self discovery. Two adorable schoolgirls- (or less commonly, schoolboys) have an adorable romance arc. The romance itself is portrayed pretty innocently, more cute than sexual, even if they do have sex. Expect lots of cute blushes and hand holding.
Generally the relationship is the first or one of the first they've had- almost always the first gay relationship. Often one or both is the Closet Key for the other.
The focus is on the romance, not the identity- the characters might experience some angst over being in a same-sex relationship, but will rarely face serious discrimination, homophobia or stereotyping — the relationship will be accepted by everyone important, and be positive overall.
The characters will both generally be Lipstick Lesbians or Straight Gay- neither character is aggressively butch or stereotypical, although one might be a tomboy.
Edited by Tremmor19 on Nov 2nd 2021 at 5:50:28 AM
The first is a bit sparse, but they look passable.
^ yea- I haven't seen that one as much (in fact I can't think of any examples I'm familiar with) so I had a harder time writing out the description. If anyone is more familiar with it and could add another paragraph or so that would probably help
So, on the TLP draft, do we have a name for it? If we get a name and a bit more description I'll go ahead and put it through TLP.
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How well does it match the trope?