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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#1: May 10th 2021 at 7:59:22 AM

First trailer.

Edited by windleopard on May 10th 2021 at 7:59:34 AM

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#2: May 10th 2021 at 8:11:12 AM

Have they confirmed the rating?

Also, it looks like the film is leaning into the buddy-comedy dynamic Eddie and the symbiote had, which was the most praised part of the first movie, so it makes sense.

Edited by Beatman1 on May 10th 2021 at 11:11:22 AM

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#3: May 10th 2021 at 8:25:53 AM

Have they confirmed that    carnage    RULES?

Edited by FOFD on May 10th 2021 at 11:26:16 AM

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#4: May 10th 2021 at 8:54:44 AM

The beginning where Venom is making Eddie breakfast is right out of a domestic fanfic. And I love it. I also can't wait to see Carnage in Live Action.

Edited by Bullman on May 10th 2021 at 10:55:11 AM

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#5: May 10th 2021 at 9:08:30 AM

Eddie and Venom's dynamic is looking great.

I'm still apprehensive about Woody Harrelson's Cletus Kasady. He's doing the "Slow, contemplative philosopher villain" voice and that just doesn't feel right. Kasady's voice has always struck me as fast-paced and frantic, just on the verge of a giggling fit over whatever nonsense he just spat out.

There's a reason Jim Carrey's always been my personal star casting for Kasady. This is... very not that.

EDIT: Hannibal! That's the reference I was looking for. He's playing Kasady as Hannibal when the character's more like Mark Hamill's Joker with the tempo sped up a little.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 10th 2021 at 9:11:16 AM

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#6: May 10th 2021 at 9:12:30 AM

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#7: May 10th 2021 at 9:35:39 AM

I liked the first movie but the first movie is also a complete So Bad, It's Good hot mess. Like the only thing it has going for it other than the general novelty of a more comics-accurate live-action Venom is Tom Hardy mugging across the Milky Way as Eddie and Venom.

This is selling itself off the novelty of live-action Carnage as played by Woody Harrelson and I'm really unsure if it's gonna make lightning strike twice. Watching the trailer it feels like two different movies slammed together: a sorta buddy comedy with Eddie and Venom (basically doubling down on the one thing the last movie did well) and this sorta horror-thriller with Carnage and Shriek. So either it juggles everything well and comes out good or it doesn't and flops, and I feel like it's gonna lean towards the latter especially if Sony commits the sin of trying to springboard a universe again.

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#8: May 10th 2021 at 11:16:37 AM

I gotta admit, I really lol'd at the symbiote cooking.

Edited by Forenperser on May 10th 2021 at 8:25:49 PM

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#9: May 10th 2021 at 11:24:06 AM

Carnage doesn't have black teeth. F minus minus.

Nah, it looks like it at least meets the level of the silly previous movie.

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#10: May 10th 2021 at 12:03:34 PM

If we can get the same level of silly as the first movie post-Eddie getting the Symbiote without the plodding mediocrity of the first movie pre-Eddie getting the Symbiote, I will be as content as I can be with non-Spiderverse Marvel project made by Sony.

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#11: May 10th 2021 at 12:46:22 PM

Venom looks cute at least.

Though hopefully there’s some gore so Carnage can do some nasty stuff.

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#12: May 10th 2021 at 1:13:03 PM

The Eddie/Venom relationship was easily the best part of the first movie, so I appreciate they're leaning more into that angle here. If they can keep that up with Carnage being a proper Knight of Cerebus, I think this might be a pretty fun movie to watch.

And hey, this trailer is leagues above the first teaser for the original movie, which didn't feature Venom at all and made it seem more like some weird psycho-horror.

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#13: May 10th 2021 at 9:22:11 PM

Oh, thank god, Tom Hardy decided to drop that horrible "New York" accent from the first movie. As for the rest... eh, Carnage looks cool, and it doesn't look like the worst thing ever. I might give this a chance... might. I absolutely hated the first Venom movie (it's the only film that's ever gotten me to just walk out of the theater before it was over... and I saw Dark Phoenix in theaters), and the whole Sony Universe thing feels misguided and kind of scummy, especially after they tried to use it to pretty much blackmail Marvel into letting them continue it or they'd take back Spidey. I do not think I'll see Morbius at all, though.

Edited by lbssb on May 11th 2021 at 12:25:56 PM

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#14: May 10th 2021 at 9:27:39 PM

I thought the first film was basically the superhero film Springtime for Hitler. It's legitimately a terrible film, but (largely due Tom Hardy's performance) it accidentally read as a comedy and people liked it. I'm curious how they'll try to catch lightning in a bottle again with this film. From the trailer they're clearly trying to be a deliberate comedy now, but remains to be seen how it'll work.

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#15: May 10th 2021 at 9:32:27 PM

Better be R-rated at least.

Come one let us see Venom eat a guys head or Carnage turn people into chunky salsa.

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#16: May 10th 2021 at 9:39:59 PM

Not sure what was worse in the first movie, Woody Harrelson's hair or the Eminem song. What past-their-prime rapper will they get to make a song for it this time? tongue

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on May 10th 2021 at 9:40:07 AM

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#17: May 10th 2021 at 9:51:57 PM

Saw the trailer.

Tobias noted that Harrelson as Cassidy seemed too subdued, but I get the feeling Cletus was just getting warmed up, and we hadn't seen the real him yet.

And this is without the Carnage Symbiote either.

Like, what we heard of him just sounded like the beginning of a more....expressive melt down.

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#18: May 10th 2021 at 11:49:08 PM

After watching too many rants against superhero movies, I think I'm done with them. I heard the first movie was a dumpster fire but the anti-hero lead was refreshing.

Though the CGI is painfully obvious, it's satisfying to see Carnage with all of his razor edges. I wonder what his origin will be. The trailer looks like they're taking more from the Ultimate origin but I think Venom creating Carnage would give Eddie more urgency.

I hope the best for everyone and that viewers enjoy the movie despite the critics.

Edited by ChicoTheParakeet on May 10th 2021 at 6:50:29 PM

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#19: May 11th 2021 at 5:44:29 AM

I legitimately enjoyed the Venom song if only because the chorus is ridiculously catchy and hard to get out of your head.

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#20: May 11th 2021 at 5:50:32 AM

Saw it.

Wonder if Cletus and Eddie do have a past history.

Also Venom is wholesome. I like it.

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#21: May 11th 2021 at 7:17:55 AM

I thought the first film was basically the superhero film Springtime for Hitler. It's legitimately a terrible film, but (largely due Tom Hardy's performance) it accidentally read as a comedy and people liked it. I'm curious how they'll try to catch lightning in a bottle again with this film. From the trailer they're clearly trying to be a deliberate comedy now, but remains to be seen how it'll work.

The thing that makes talking about Venom surprisingly complicated is there's a Broken Base between whether or not the movie's So Bad, It's Good or just good, and if anything the general consensus is a combination of Critic-Proof and Quality by Popular Vote.

And what makes this unfortunate in a Gone Horribly Right sense is that a lot of what makes Venom enjoyable is very clearly unintentional, a case of Hardy Chewing the Scenery while everyone else Took the Bad Film Seriously. And I'm concerned that the movie deliberately leaning into Hardy's shenanigans, trying to intentionally recreate that spark, is gonna veer it into So Bad, It Was Better.

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#22: May 11th 2021 at 11:19:17 AM

This will definitely be the true test to Venom's staying power.

I've been hearing the "$850 million worth of people were all watching the film ironically" argument bandied about since the first film came out and did unexpectedly well at the box office, but it's never clicked with me. A lot of people hated the film on principle and wanted it to fail. Any time that happens and the film winds up succeeding, then you start hearing the arguments for how, no really, it really would have failed but something something.

What I think happened was that there were plenty of people that don't care that Spider-Man isn't in the movie, that don't despise cinematic universes on principle, that aren't invested in Sony failing so hard they surrender the rights back to Marvel and never touch the Spider-Man properties again, etc. etc. They just saw a trailer and went, "Oh, cool. That looks like a neat film. I'll go watch it."

Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice was a piece of shit film and it made $873 million. I don't think everybody was watching that ironically either. Sometimes the most vocal opinions of a fandom are not shared by the movie-going public.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 11th 2021 at 11:21:00 AM

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#23: May 11th 2021 at 11:29:10 AM

Yeah, the idea that 50+ million people saw a movie ironically is just ludicrous. And from what I heard, a lot of people just thought it was a standard passable superhero flick.

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#24: May 11th 2021 at 11:45:08 AM

I genuinely think a lot of casual audiences saw the movie under the impression that it was an official MCU entry, and judged it based on that assumption, because if it was in the MCU it couldn't have actually been bad, right?

Personally, I could never get into Tom Hardy's performance. It just felt too over-the-top to be enjoyable for me, especially since he really doesn't feel like the actual Eddie Brock. I also couldn't get behind the symbiote's overly-goofy personality either. I know, it has some basis in the comics, but seeing it on-screen just felt Narm-y to me, and not in a fun way.

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#25: May 11th 2021 at 11:46:43 AM

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