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RainbowPumpqueen Queen of the pumpkin patch. from Johto. Relationship Status: In season
Queen of the pumpkin patch.
Apr 21st 2021 at 10:52:11 PM

Fanservice tends to be a magnet for badly written examples. Issues with lewdness aside, it attracts gushing about how hot a character is, some of them not being intended for fanservice in the first place. Shirtless Scene also has a problem with ZC Es, if it's tropeworthy at all.

I'll start by going through the Comic Books page for Mr. Fanservice:

    Foldered 'cuz it got long 

Admit it, you're staring. note  The image caption feels weirdly gushy, that could just be me overreacting though.

  • Dick Grayson. There's a reason why he always ends up parading around shirtless or in his underwear, and his tendency to get tied up... often while shirtless or in his underwear. It's because Nightwing makes female Bat-fans. He also tends to suffer extensive Clothing Damage and gratuitous shots of his lovingly rendered ass (such as the one viewable to the right). While this example is valid, it feels very gushy. That pause makes me worry about this being troped with one hand.
    • Especially in Grayson in which he becomes a sexy spy. Characters in-universe refer to his good looks & physique often. One recurring Anti-Villain, because of perception-scrambling implants obscuring Dick's face, is able to identify him solely by his ass. Seems legit, although I think this would fit better under Chick Magnet and maybe Even the Guys Want Him, I don't think Mr. Fanservice can be in-universe. Also, incorrect indentation, if this is valid then it can be merged with the first bullet.
    • All the male Robins. You've got Jason, who has a dark and troubled past and a tendency to wear leather jackets. Tim, a dork with his tendency to ponder his next move and life situation in gratuitous shower scenes. Even Damian has his fangirls. Not sure why these can't be moved into separate examples under the same franchise. Jason doesn't sound like a Mr. Fanservice, just a bad boy. If he is intended for fanservice, then the entry doesn't really get that across. Tim sounds like an Adorkable nerd who has Shirtless Scenes, it doesn't mention anything about his appearance. The Damian example is gushy on top of being a ZCE. Personality has nothing to do with this trope anyway.

  • Superman himself isn't immune to this treatment, even if it's rarely focused on. By sheer dint of his looks and Heroic Build, and his general adorableness and Nice Guy personality, the Man of Steel has been subjected to his share of Shirtless Scenes. The New 52 had his first panel in one issue benchpressing the equivalent of the Earth's weight. In nothing but his boxers. It also extends to the actors cast to play him in just about every live action adaptation. Personality isn't needed. Also, Is mentioning the attractiveness of the actors really necessary?
    • Then there's the Kon-El Superboy, specifically designed to be a younger hotter Superman visually with bad boy imagery included by way of his leather jacket, shades and earring to go with his upbeat too cool for school Fun Personified personality. Personality has nothing to do with fanservice. He doesn't sound like a Mr. Fanservice, just a bad boy that the troper found hot.

  • The Spirit. Although there may be an entirely plausible, plot-related reason for why he's Bound and Gagged so damn much... and undressed... in consecutive splash pages. Or maybe not. This sounds like it was troped with one hand. Other than that, it seems valid.

  • Witchblade has Ian Nottingham. Often drawn shirtless due to fannish demand. (Not that Kenneth Irons was half bad, but he spent less time half naked.) And we shouldn't forget The Darkness' Jackie Estacado, either... although he does have a slight impediment for estrogen fun. Ian sounds like the only valid example, everything else is an excuse to gush. If the other characters are valid examples, then this needs a rewrite.

  • X-Men:
    • Gambit (especially in the '90s): The dark, brooding and mysterious guy with a horrible past and a dark secret, a cool gimmick, a trenchcoat... and the playful nature of playing basketball shirtless. Or showing his magnificent butt to the 'camera' (i.e. boathouse scene or the arrival in the Onslaught-aftermath issue of Uncanny X-Men). Seems legit, his characterization is irrelevant though. "Magnificent butt" feels gushy, although it could just be a description.
    • Before Gambit, Longshot played a similar role, both in his own mini-series and as a member of the X-Men. The main differences are that he didn't have a longcoat (though his leather clothes certainly were meant to invoke '80s cool, just like Gambit's clothes invoked '90s cool), and instead of being a brooding yet loveable rogue he was a naive (due to being an amnesiac alien from another dimension) yet loveable rogue. He was also co-created by a female writer. This feels like an excuse to gush. It doesn't mention anything about his build. "He was also co-created by a female writer" Yeah, and? She didn't work on the art, so there likely aren't any gratuitous shots of his ass or anything, and that detail is irrelevant if he isn't intended for fanservice.
    • Sunspot from the New Mutants. A handsome, flirtatious Latino who constantly finds himself without a shirt and showing off his muscled physique. One X-Force cover had him shirtless and in chains, which is not the only time that's happened to him. Seems valid.
    • Colossus being tall, handsome and muscular. His costumes, to show off his armoured form, usually don't cover much. When he was resurrected in Astonishing X-Men he spent the first 3 issues of his reappearance wearing nothing but a pair of tight red boxer shorts. Seems valid.

  • Savant, from Birds of Prey, was designed to be a hot one shot villain but became popular. ZCE. Also mentions out-of-universe attraction. Also, is "hot one shot villain" subjective, or was that the actual intention?

  • Captain America: James "Bucky" Barnes becomes thoroughly baited when he makes his comeback as the Winter Soldier. Steve Rogers (the Captain himself) can qualify as well. The only context for this is a link that's dead. The Steve Rogers example feels like it mentions out-of-universe attraction, as well as violating Examples Are Not Arguable.

  • For the furries out there we have The Astounding Wolf-Man, who often suffers clothing damage and frequently ends up shirtless. Seems valid.

  • Empowereds boyfriend ThugBoy. Lessee... Half German/Italian, half Japanese (for the all-important manga eyes and long, silky black hair), blessed in the lunchbox, really buff, more likely to be shirtless than not, more likely to be trouserless than not, more of a Dark and Troubled Past than a third of the other examples, a prime example of Love Redeems... and loves his Cool Shades. Nationality isn't relevant in this case, neither of them are used for fanservice, especially not German. Characterization is irrelevant. What do shades have to do with fanservice?

  • Most, if not all of the male elves in Elf Quest. When Wendy Pini did a pinup calendar (for 1998), half the plates showed guys. The one of Strongbow was reused for a cover later. ZCE.

  • Steelgrip Starkey and the All-Purpose Power Tool: Inevitably done with Steelgrip Starkey, given that he spends almost all his time wearing a red short-sleeved shirt that shows off his muscled arms and washboard abs. Justified in that one reason he was selected was because he matched the archetype of a hard-working American hero. Eeeeh. I guess?

  • Asterix The Gaul gives us Tragicomix, who is blonde, handsome, and never wears a shirt so as to allow viewers to see his very nicely built chest. The "very nicely built" part feels gushy. It could just be a description though.

  • Booster Gold was made for this trope. Tall, blonde, muscular, pretty, form-fitting outfit that gets shredded a lot, and a great ass. His character development from money-grubbing media whore to tragic genuine hero doesn't hurt either. What does his characterization have to do with fanservice? Also, "X was made for this trope" is Word Cruft.

  • While Sin City is mostly known for its women, Frank Miller adds plenty of Male Frontal Nudity from all of its male protagonists (with the exception of Marv). Dwight was even shirtless for the entire Big Fat Kill miniseries. Seems valid.

  • In the Den series, Den and any other male human becomes this upon arrival in Neverwhere, naked, muscled and hung, albeit bald. Seems legit.

  • Tony Stark could have very well made his fortune by getting a nickel for every time he ends up naked, tied up, brainwashed, imperiled, or otherwise put into situations that give the fangirls squee-fodder. There is at least one blog solely dedicated to all the times the various incarnations of Tony end up at least half-nude, and it's quite large. The "give fangirls squee fodder" is unnecessary gushing. I don't think the blog mention is needed either. What's fanservice-y about being brainwashed and imperiled???

  • Coming along in the wake of Tom Hiddleston's popularity in the Marvel Films, Loki got a very Hiddleston-esque makeover and became one in his new solo series, Loki: Agent of Asgard. The people in charge, knowing where their bread was buttered, had him naked in the shower on the second page. (All this is in sharp contrast to his rather Gonk-ish appearance in the early days of The Mighty Thor.) Eeeeeh. Seems legit considering they based his appearance on Tom Hiddleston's popularity.
    • His previous portrayals were heavily Depending on the Artist; he was already being depicted before the movies in some of the pre-Siege comics as a Pretty Boy in Painted-On Pants with a shirtless Forging Scene. Seems legit, should be merged with the first example though.

  • In Warlord of Mars most Martians men could count (with the exception of the Green People) since just like their females, they are half-naked space hunks adorned in the male equivalent to Chainmail Bikini. John Carter stands among them due to also appearing completely naked at certain points, albeit with Hand-or-Object Underwear and Barbie Doll Anatomy. This sounds like an arguable example. Other than that it feels fine, the Barbie Doll Anatomy has me doubting the validity of this example though.

  • Namor Mc Kenzie aka Sub-Mariner has spent most of his publication history running around in nothing more than swimming trunks (and sometimes NOTHING), showing off his Heroic Build. He's dressed up some since then but he still likes to show off his arms and chest. Seems legit.

  • Of the Flashes, Wally is usually the one who gets the most female attention, and for good reason. K, Why though? This entry also comes off as mentioning out-of-universe attraction, which isn't what this trope is. Mr/Ms Fanservice is for characters themed around fanservice, not just characters that the fanbase finds hot. Some parts of fandoms will want to fornicate with anything, that doesn't make that character a Mr/Ms Fanservice.

  • Thorgal has a lot of Shirtless Scenes where he shows his Carpet of Virility. In particular, he spent almost the entirety of City of the Lost God and The Sun-sword wearing just briefs. Seems legit.

  • In Lanfeust, the title character is a pretty muscular red haired boy but, oddly enough, his nemesis Thanos also qualifies. He can teleport instantly to any location he memorized but always ends up naked! Seems legit. Evil Is Sexy is YMMV and the pothole to it is unnecessary gushing.

  • Steve Trevor's depictions have varied over the years and continuities, but Wonder Woman's boyfriend and oft husband is always a good looking military man who is respectful of women. In Wonder Woman (Rebirth) he's a noted hunk who ends up frequently shirtless, and in The Legend of Wonder Woman (2016) he's a humble Ace Pilot with significant clothing damage in his first few appearances and whose beautiful eyes and gentlemanly ways are commented on by many characters. Seems legit. Mentioning his gentlemanliness feels unnecessary though because Fanservice doesn't involve characterization. Pretty sure his attractiveness being mentioned by other characters should be moved to other tropes.

  • In Wonder Woman (1987) Hermes is a smiley hunk who essentially wears a skirt to hide his privates, which frequently does little to nothing to hide his derriere. Seems legit.

  • In Spider-Man 2099, a woman (who does have a boyfriend) straight up says that Miguel O'Hara (in his suit) has the tightest ass she's ever seen. Even the villains comment on his attractiveness. For the record he's a 6'2" (that's 1.89 meters) half-Mexican with a Perma-Stubble, lean and muscled physique, and red eyes, and a bit of a Home Nudist. Pretty sure characters commenting on his attractiveness should be moved to other tropes. Height isn't needed, don't think nationality is either in this case.

  • Daredevil has the reputation of being "the greatest himbo to have ever worn tights" and is indeed a huge Chick Magnet. Red-headed lean hunk, and you could even argue those milky eyes give him a strange allure. Mentions out-of-universe attractiveness. "You could even argue those milky eyes give him a strange allure", Examples Are Not Arguable.

  • X-Wing Rogue Squadron: Two kinds in this from the comics: half-naked attractive male pilots, and referencing a large usenet group's "Vote Wedge/Tycho For President" meme. Eh. Considering this example doesn't mention their names, I think they would fit better under Fanservice Extra, it feels like it needs more context though. Mentioning the meme is unnecessary.

Edited by RainbowPumpqueen on Apr 23rd 2021 at 5:37:20 PM

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mightymewtron A Whole Lotta Leela from New New York Relationship Status: In bed with a green-skinned space babe
A Whole Lotta Leela
Apr 25th 2021 at 12:35:16 AM

Oh good, maybe I can get more help on Fanservice.The Nostalgia Critic. I even have a cleanup specifically for it and the Fan Disservice subpage.

Don't you worry about cleanup projects. Let me worry about blank.
RainbowPumpqueen Queen of the pumpkin patch. from Johto. Relationship Status: In season
Queen of the pumpkin patch.
May 26th 2021 at 3:15:31 PM

Ugh, sorry to bump a not-quite-dead-yet thread. It's been over a month and I still haven't gotten anything. Bumping to give this thread more attention because it hasn't gotten anything done yet.

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greatpikminfan Dryad/Nymph OTP. from the Underground Jungle. Relationship Status: Naked on a bearskin rug, playing the saxophone
Dryad/Nymph OTP.
May 26th 2021 at 9:36:44 PM

I think Best Known for the Fanservice could use a small look at, some of the examples are based on loose definitions of "fanservice" that look like they might be looking too far in to things, some go in the opposite direction and are based on fans sexualizing something that was probably not that sexual to begin with, and there's some that just go on about what the fanservice is but either does not or poorly explains how it's more known than what else is in the story.

    Examples 

From the Video Games page:

  • Magician's Quest: Mysterious Times is known for being both an "Animal Crossing clone" and "an Animal Crossing clone where you can be gay." It might fit under something else but being gay isn't automatically fanservice.
  • Overwatch:
    • Tracer is known for one of two things: her butt and controversy to it at pre-release; or being the head honcho of the titular Overwatch and a well-rounded character. Either way, nobody is complaining one bit about it... I'd cut the last sentence for sure, but this could probably use a general rewrite.
      • Also, the fact that she's a canonical lesbian got a lot of attention and generated even more controvery than her gameplay balance. Again this kind of comes off implying it's saying gay people are automatically fanservice. It's not properly indented anyway.
    • The other women in that game, like Widowmaker and D.Va, among others; also get caught up in a lot of risque fanart, with Blizzard seeming to taking notice of this. They did not take it well, removing videos of rule 34 Overwatch characters at it. Of course, they might as well attempt to stop a waterfall by standing at the bottom of and trying to push the water back with their hands; Overwatch is one of THE most heavily-eroticised games in the history of the medium despite only being out for a few years. Barely has anything to do with the game itself. As it stands it's "A lot of people draw porn of this," in that case you might as well say Sonic the Hedgehog and Pokémon fall under this trope for the same reason.
  • Touhou is about a world of super-powered magical action girls (many of which are Cute Monster Girls who are Really 700 Years Old) who have interesting (but never romantic) relationships with each other, which can gives way to tons of fanart (cute, gorgeous or very risque) and awesome music. "Shoot em ups"? What's a "shoot 'em up"? note  In what way is any of this fanservice? It should probably be moved to Just Here for Godzilla or something.

On the main page:

  • Danganronpa is a series of visual novels featuring a majority of attractive female characters in the overall cast, who cause most female followers of the series to become Les Yay in regards to them. Appealing character designs are including but not limited to Sayaka Maizono, Aoi Asahina, Celestia Ludenberg, Junko Enoshima, Ibuki Mioda, Chiaki Nanami, Mahiru Koizumi, and Komaru Naegi. These characters have either large thighs or a large bust to compensate for if they don't have a physically attractive face. Disclaimer, I'm not familiar with this series so it might by itself be a valid example, but this comes off as... like it's trying to gush over the characters than anything else. It doesn't say any actual fanservice, just that they're "attractive." I do know that there's some rather obsessive "waifu warring" going on in some parts of the fanbase and there are some actual "fanservice moments" in the series but I don't think I have seen anything about outsiders knowing the series more for fanservice than its actual premise. Speaking of which, this entry doesn't explain what the "fanservice" is overshadowing either, it's just a list of things people would find attractive.
  • Ménage ŕ 3 features a lot of boobies and sex scenes (both gay and straight), though no genitalia. Only describes the fanservice, doesn't say what's being overshadowed.
  • If you were familiar with Wander over Yonder only through fanart, you could be forgiven for thinking Green-Skinned Space Babe villain Lord Dominator was the main character. She's a Knight of Cerebus to the main cast who is only introduced in the second of the show's two seasons. It helps that her Villain Song "I'm The Bad Guy" quickly became the show's Signature Scene. Is anyone here familiar with the series? How is the song a signature scene? Is it "fanservice?" (I know it's a kid's show so it's a given that it's going to be tame compared to what's geared at older people.) Again, "This character gets a lot of sexy fanart" does not count by itself, fanartists have a habit of sexualizing non-fanservice characters and that doesn't mean it overshadows the story.

There are also a lot of examples of blatant ecchi works, as in ones that are designed to be based on fanservice first. Personally I don't think it should count if the fanservice is supposed to be the main draw of the story, but there is nothing in the description saying the story doesn't have to be fanservice-focused and it even talks about how actors gotten big from a purposeful Sex Sells angle, so that seems like more of a TRS thing.

Edited by greatpikminfan on May 26th 2021 at 9:38:59 AM

I write stupid crap about naked people. Avatar information can be found in my troper page. And the stupid crap I write.
mightymewtron A Whole Lotta Leela from New New York Relationship Status: In bed with a green-skinned space babe
A Whole Lotta Leela
May 26th 2021 at 9:57:45 PM

Getting into a work just because it has gay people fits better under the Watched It For The Representation TLP.

From what little I know of Wander Over Yonder, with that song being the only thing I really know about it, Lord Dominator is liked for being attractive but I don't know if her scenes are quite "fanservice" levels. She swivels her hips a lot in her song, and has some flirty Femme Fatale behavior, so I would probably call that fanservice, but her overall demeanor is more that of an excitable destructive teen girl.

Edited by mightymewtron on May 26th 2021 at 12:59:02 PM

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nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
May 27th 2021 at 5:18:20 AM

Didn't that trope actually get a TRS thread for this kind of stuff? Or was that only ever proposed?

themayorofsimpleton On hiatus from My house
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May 27th 2021 at 7:37:43 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] The Nostalgia Critic Fanservice page is fucking disgusting, at least to me personally because A. I do not find it remotely attracting, and B. I hate the Nostalgia Critic deeply. Even ignoring both of those though, the way everything is described is super lewd and weird. I wonder if it could be taken to the P5 lewdness cleanup thread?

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on May 27th 2021 at 10:38:29 AM

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mightymewtron A Whole Lotta Leela from New New York Relationship Status: In bed with a green-skinned space babe
A Whole Lotta Leela
May 27th 2021 at 7:50:43 AM

[up] I worked with it on the cleanup thread but I could take it to the lewdness thread too. Note that I am a fan of the show (inconsistently) and it creeps me the fuck out too.

Edited by mightymewtron on May 27th 2021 at 10:51:03 AM

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themayorofsimpleton On hiatus from My house
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May 27th 2021 at 8:20:43 AM

[up] I knew it wasn't just me who found it creepy, but thanks for the info. We'll see what that thread can do.

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RainbowPumpqueen Queen of the pumpkin patch. from Johto. Relationship Status: In season
Queen of the pumpkin patch.
Jun 1st 2021 at 11:44:29 PM

I found this on Crash: On the Run! of all places:

Sweet Jesus, where do I start with this? First off, her chest isn't that much bigger, this is what she looks like in IAT, and this is what she looks like in OTR. Secondly, because she isn't fanservicey at all, this is obvious perving, which is extra weird because she's (most likely) a minor. Thirdly, I'm pretty sure this is misuse. Fanservice Pack is for characters becoming more attractive overtime, but in this case it isn't for Fanservice because she isn't that busty and she's conservatively dressed. I'm 99% sure they gave her breats because she's a teenager and puberty is a thing.

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Crossover-Enthusiast Spooky little baby Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Spooky little baby
Jun 1st 2021 at 11:52:02 PM

...

Please burn that with fire.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Jun 1st 2021 at 2:52:22 PM

Itz da Spooky Month :D
WackyPancake from My computer. Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Jun 1st 2021 at 11:56:19 PM

Any use of the term "fanservice" to refer to anything related to an underage character should be cleansed with Holy Fire on principle.

Edited by WackyPancake on Jun 1st 2021 at 8:56:29 PM

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."
AdeptGaderius from The Backrooms Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jun 2nd 2021 at 12:47:07 AM

[up][up] Is the example already deleted?

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RainbowPumpqueen Queen of the pumpkin patch. from Johto. Relationship Status: In season
Queen of the pumpkin patch.
Jun 2nd 2021 at 1:07:50 AM

Yes. I removed it after I got consensus in this thread to get rid of it.

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themayorofsimpleton On hiatus from My house
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Jun 2nd 2021 at 7:09:34 AM

Eww, blech, send the Crash example to hell.

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Delibirda The site's biggest Xilam fan. from Trondheim, Norway Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
The site's biggest Xilam fan.
Jun 2nd 2021 at 7:17:48 AM

Give it some good ol' elements of harmony beams.

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Delibirda The site's biggest Xilam fan. from Trondheim, Norway Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
The site's biggest Xilam fan.
Jun 2nd 2021 at 7:25:15 AM

Yay!

Just wanna be Jekyll, but I'm always fighting Hyde.
Delibirda The site's biggest Xilam fan. from Trondheim, Norway Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
The site's biggest Xilam fan.
Jun 2nd 2021 at 7:27:34 AM

From My Little Pony: Equestria Girls Digital Series:

  • Best Known for the Fanservice: You'll find plenty of people who find the beach shorts one of the most memorable things about this series, and a lot of fans stating how hot Sunset Shimmer looks in a swimsuit, particularly in "Unsolved Selfie Mysteries".

Just wanna be Jekyll, but I'm always fighting Hyde.
WackyPancake from My computer. Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Jun 2nd 2021 at 8:03:34 AM

The MLP wiki does not state an age for Sunset Shimmer, but considering she's still attending high school, that probably should be nuked from orbit.

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."
Delibirda The site's biggest Xilam fan. from Trondheim, Norway Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
The site's biggest Xilam fan.
Jun 2nd 2021 at 10:01:15 AM

NOKED

Just wanna be Jekyll, but I'm always fighting Hyde.
Jun 2nd 2021 at 10:50:02 AM

I think this cleanup is long overdue. However as an anime fan, I'd like to point something out. There's a lot of valid Ms Fan Service characters in anime and games that are high school age. Yoko Litner might be the best example though. What should we do about that?

mightymewtron A Whole Lotta Leela from New New York Relationship Status: In bed with a green-skinned space babe
A Whole Lotta Leela
Jun 2nd 2021 at 11:26:51 AM

I think we should consider context when cutting the teenage fanservice tropes, at least for characters in the 16-18 range. A lot of works, unfortunately, do sexualize teenagers (or adults meant to look like teenagers), and it's not wrong to acknowledge this as long as the work doesn't skew into full-blown pedo pandering (i.e. the content is explicit and not just a few scenes of a skimpy outfit or something). Plus some of these shows are geared towards teen audiences.

That said, I'm unsure if the Sunset example counts, regardless of age. Is the scene really fanservice or was it not meant to be sexy and the fans ate it up? It is a show for young girls, but it also has a huge Periphery Demographic of older straight men (and sapphic women) and the creators are very much aware of that. Does unintentional fanservice still count for BKFTF? And is the special even best known for the swimsuit scene? (I wouldn't doubt it as I never really heard much about this series before.)

Edited by mightymewtron on Jun 2nd 2021 at 2:27:25 PM

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WackyPancake from My computer. Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Jun 2nd 2021 at 11:27:22 AM

[up][up]Don't gush about it.

It's gross but I suppose it's still valid. That said, if a work particularly fetishizes or sexualizes an underage character, it should probably run through the P5 for pedopandering concerns.

Edited by WackyPancake on Jun 2nd 2021 at 8:27:59 PM

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."
Delibirda The site's biggest Xilam fan. from Trondheim, Norway Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
The site's biggest Xilam fan.
Jun 2nd 2021 at 11:39:41 AM

I do not reckon it counts as fanservice, since it is not meant to be arousing, and even then, is it really, ya know, most known for those episodes, with no regards to anything else? Also, the entry was too gushy.

Edited by Delibirda on Jun 2nd 2021 at 8:43:50 PM

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