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Deadlock Clock: Aug 19th 2021 at 11:59:00 PM
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#201: Jun 16th 2021 at 10:20:33 PM

[up][up] I think there may be some vote-canvassing efforts going on, so we'll see.

[up] For now. Seemingly insurmountable leads have been overcome before.

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Jun 16th 2021 at 10:21:23 AM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#202: Jun 16th 2021 at 10:21:47 PM

I have strong doubts it will change but hey I have been surprised before.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#203: Jun 16th 2021 at 10:25:35 PM

[up][up] Do you have evidence of that, or...? Because while there have been crowners with sketchy results before, this doesn't seem to be one of them, and I'm not sure where your suspicions are coming from.

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ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#204: Jun 16th 2021 at 10:30:20 PM

[up] I'm not saying people are necessarily telling other tropers to vote a certain way; while that's certainly possible and I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, I don't have any evidence for it and this might just be a more organic thing. My suspicion is just that people are just trying to "get the vote out".

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#205: Jun 16th 2021 at 10:32:02 PM

It's probably just people seeing a positive vote and thinking, "What the hell? Pressure's off so I may as well vote on the unanimous option."

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#206: Jun 16th 2021 at 10:32:50 PM

[up][up] There isn't really anything wrong with that to spread the word about the crowner.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jun 16th 2021 at 10:33:07 AM

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#207: Jun 16th 2021 at 10:33:41 PM

[up] I never said it was a bad thing. I'm just pointing out that since there seems to be the effort, we might as well wait and see if more people participate.

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Jun 16th 2021 at 10:34:09 AM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#208: Jun 16th 2021 at 10:38:13 PM

Honestly, I think it's great. I wish all TRS crowners had this much engagement. Then people couldn't accuse us of not getting enough consensus.

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ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#209: Jun 16th 2021 at 10:40:15 PM

[up] Same here. I am loving the engagement we're getting here; keep it up, guys! We want everyone to have a say!

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Jun 16th 2021 at 10:50:10 AM

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#210: Jun 16th 2021 at 10:50:18 PM

So, just so we're prepared in case it happens: what do we do if "Redirect to Anvilicious" and "Redefine SANTBD" both win the crowner? Would we have a runoff crowner? Would we redo the new definition from scratch on TLP?

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#211: Jun 16th 2021 at 10:51:12 PM

[up] Honestly, I find this crowner a bit flawed to begin with. To me, it feels like we're simultaneously trying to decide too much and too little.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#212: Jun 16th 2021 at 11:05:35 PM

[up][up] I think it would be whatever option gets a larger consensus since those options are incompatible.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#213: Jun 16th 2021 at 11:08:28 PM

I mean, nothing says we can't attempt one of the redefinitions on the TLP. It just wouldn't have to be part of the TRS effort. If, somehow, someway, both ideas gain consensus, then...yeah, that's what I'd say we do. Just kick it to TLP and do whatever we have to there.

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ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#214: Jun 16th 2021 at 11:11:58 PM

[up] We can even use examples already on the various Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped subpages and in the wicks.

Tremmor19 he/him (Y2: Electric Boogaloo)
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#215: Jun 16th 2021 at 11:13:11 PM

I like the definition using "an aesop that can justify itself", but that's basically almost as subjective as the current version. I just don't see that not being used as exactly the same thing- Anvilicious, but good. Theres not really any objective criteria distinguishing it from Anvilicious (subjective tropes still have objective elements, for example a story with no overt moral cannot be Anvilicious.)

However I like the idea of keeping this on Sugar Wiki, regardless of chosen definition. there's lots of good stuff here we don't need to throw out

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#216: Jun 16th 2021 at 11:18:04 PM

[up] Good to hear from you. Have you voted on the crowner?

Tremmor19 he/him (Y2: Electric Boogaloo)
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#217: Jun 16th 2021 at 11:18:43 PM

Yes. I voted for both sugar wiki options

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#218: Jun 16th 2021 at 11:21:34 PM

[up] Good. Stick around TRS, why don't you? We'd love to hear more from you. grin

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#219: Jun 16th 2021 at 11:22:41 PM

I don't think it will be a problem anyway since only one option about redefining the trope is even in green and it is not even close to consensus range.

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#220: Jun 16th 2021 at 11:26:07 PM

[up] I wouldn't say that. All it would take is five more upvotes.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#221: Jun 16th 2021 at 11:30:33 PM

Eh, when it comes to something like this...I don't think just breaching "consensus range" would be enough to matter here. When the crowner is this disproportionate...

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ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#222: Jun 16th 2021 at 11:36:50 PM

[up] We'll see, though I certainly wouldn't be surprised if the current top option maintains its lead.

WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#223: Jun 17th 2021 at 3:03:52 AM

"An aesop that can justify itself" will still attract rampant, horrible misuse. How well an aesop can "justify" itself depends strongly on your personal views.

It just ain't worth keeping.

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#224: Jun 17th 2021 at 3:11:48 AM

I agree that requiring examples to justify themselves would be too subjective.

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ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#225: Jun 17th 2021 at 3:44:44 AM

By the way, Ordeaux, any reason you didn't address concerns about Anvil of the Story and Anvilicious on the crowner? Just wondering.

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