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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#26: Apr 30th 2021 at 5:59:15 PM

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I mean, Nobunaga's portrayal always seemed to be fairly diverse - this Unskippable quote sums it up nicely:

Paul: Of course it's Nobunaga Oda.

Graham': Wow that guy really gets around.

Paul: Name one historical Japanese game in which he's not the bad guy.

Graham: Or the good guy.

Paul: Or just a guy. He's in all of them.

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AbrahamOmosun Since: Jan, 2019
#27: Apr 30th 2021 at 5:59:36 PM

Well this was underwhelming. Came for Takeshi Koike's involvement, found out he only worked on the character design(which turned out alright I guess). I liked Yasuke (the character) and the fights were generally cool especially that bar fight. Everything thing else... Meh

Long story short, it always felt like the show's grasp was exceeding its reach and the writing was never particularly strong enough to do what it wanted.

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Of all the shows flaws (weak supporting cast, generic villain with no style or substance, a plot that was.. Wait what was the show about? Something something get girl to doctor. Something something Girl has to save Japan from giant spider.) probably the one that was the mix of different genres which felt like they needed more time in the oven.

The grounded parts and the supernatural stuff felt like 2 couples after arguing trying to interact awkwardly with each other and the mechs were like a third wheel best friend wondering why he is even there. Of all the different things it was trying to do, the more "realistic" elements were the probably most interesting (His flashbacks, beginning of Episode 1). Mabye my favorite moment of the show was in Yasuke's flashback in episode 3 when he killed someone but plunged his sword in too deep and was unable to remove it and there was so much blood his hands slipped off. I was like "Wow, that is not something you see in a lot of shows, I hope we see mor- Nope back to the supernatural stuff."

Mabye the kicker for me was that throughout, I was just constantly reminded of the other samurai shows that I wanted to watch/rewatch:-

"Oh that spider creature reminds me of one of the antagonists from Ninja Scroll. That movie was sick!! I should rewatch it again."
"Saki and Yasuke remind me of the duo from Sword of the stranger. That final fight was something else. I should probably rewatch it"
"Men, I still haven't seen the Ruronin Kenshin live action movies. Saw one cool scene on Youtube so I should... "

Side Note:does someone know where I can find a list of Netflix's upcoming anime?

Edited by AbrahamOmosun on Apr 30th 2021 at 6:10:56 AM

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jun_kagami Since: Oct, 2018
#28: Apr 30th 2021 at 6:28:17 PM

Well, its Netflix, didn't expect much.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#29: Apr 30th 2021 at 6:35:03 PM

Well they should commission enough for a full cour for once.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 30th 2021 at 6:35:13 AM

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GamerSlyRatchet Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#30: Apr 30th 2021 at 8:58:43 PM

They do. They just like arbitrarily split up all their programming into smaller "seasons".

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31: Apr 30th 2021 at 9:15:36 PM

The robots threw me off. I wonder why they didn't go for a more historically accurate telling of Yasuke's story.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#32: Apr 30th 2021 at 9:43:11 PM

[up]x5 - I find this to be a huge problem with Thomas’s work. The big problem with Cannon Busters as a show was that it was a Cliché Storm, but everything there just made you want to watch the show’s it was clearly trying to imitate. You wish Netflix had taken their coffers and just funded a Trigun Maximum anime instead of this (although it looks like it’s going to be a single season). He crams so much in, in the vein of other, better shows, that you want to watch those shows instead. If you want samurai with mechs, there’s Kuromukuro. If you want sword duels, there’s Ninja Scroll and Afro Samurai, one being an all-time classic, and the other having Samuel L. Jackson and an incredible soundtrack.

Thomas did an interview before this show came out where he felt that this was going to make more fans of animated material than Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba, which he said was too insular. But at least it’s its own beast.

Edited by Beatman1 on Apr 30th 2021 at 12:43:58 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#33: Apr 30th 2021 at 9:45:50 PM

I think thats just his style.

That mish-mashing of genres because he wants to put in every cool thing he can think of like the shows he likes.

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#34: Apr 30th 2021 at 11:10:23 PM

What's wrong with robots? Haruto is precious and he should be randomly thrown into more shows.

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#35: May 1st 2021 at 6:30:10 AM

Symohogear does what Lesean Thomas wants to do better, to be frank.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#36: May 1st 2021 at 7:40:02 AM

[up]x3 - It feels immature to a degree to throw everything at the wall just because you think it's cool, and then it falls apart when you think about it too hard. It's not impossible to merge multiple genres, I point to Magic Knight Rayearth which manages to be a magical girl show, an isekai, and a super robot show all at the same time, and even then the authors specifically had to call in outside help (in the form of Masami Obari) to make it work.

The problem is that there's nothing grounding the fantastical elements. Afro Samurai is the big example that people are using here, but it was plainly established the world was a Fantasy Kitchen Sink and everyone there was fictional. You can do that and still use a feudal state aesthetic, but then you add actual people and no justification for the change in history, and it comes off as sloppy and disjointed.

I love all of these elements separately. I love mecha. I love samurai movies. But to quote a famous pinball maker when he saw one of his creations equally disjointed - "...it’s like saying, listen to this analogy, 'your biggest successes on our menu were pea soup, the shrimp pizza, and apple strudel with vanilla ice cream. Now you take those motherf***ers and put them all in a bowl and they’ll taste great.'"

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#37: May 2nd 2021 at 1:31:29 PM

When i first heard of the show i thought the focus would have been on Yasuke's time with Nobunaga.

Edited by Cortez on May 2nd 2021 at 9:40:26 AM

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#38: May 2nd 2021 at 2:11:02 PM

God, that sucked as a History Fan Historically,Mitsuhide's reasons why he betrayed Nobunaga are unclear, but they range from the fact that his lord killed Buddhist monks, the fact Nobunaga made his mother die thanks during a hostage exchange, maybe Nobunaga physically assaulted and kept humiliating him, or just a bunch of reasons joined together. Here, the reason he betrayed him, is because Mitsuhide is a jealous racist.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#39: May 3rd 2021 at 7:35:24 AM

Head musician for the series Flying Lotus is saying they want to do more with the series. Not sure how receptive people will be to it, but it's scoring in the Top 10, something Cannon Busters failed to do.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#40: May 3rd 2021 at 8:48:03 AM

To be honest Japan actually is quite racist and xenophobic?

But yeah, sacrificing historical accuracy for cool factor is...eh.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#41: May 3rd 2021 at 2:47:33 PM

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I assume they based that on the anecdote about how Mitsuhide allegedly considered Yasuke to be an animal and not Japanese, which is why he had him sent to a church instead of killing him.

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#42: May 4th 2021 at 10:46:29 AM

Unless he actually betrayed Nobunaga for the above-stated reasons rather than just because he was a racist.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#43: May 5th 2021 at 1:46:06 PM

So I watched the first episode, and it was uhm . . . I didn't like it. I was reall surprised about the supernatural elements (and robots). I would have thought the premise (black samurai serving Nobunaga) would be enough to sustain the anime on its own. We got some of that in the flashbacks that we saw, but its really confounding why more focus wasnt put on it. It's not that an anime cant introduce a twist like that on historical characters, but it needs to grab you, and I just did not get any of that

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#44: May 14th 2021 at 3:53:57 AM

Watched the first episode and was sufficiently entertained. Hope the others focus on the alt history fantasy sci-fi aspect and ratchet up the action to Rule of Cool levels to really make this a blast.

Thomas did an interview before this show came out where he felt that this was going to make more fans of animated material than Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba, which he said was too insular. But at least it’s its own beast.

I dunno. The premiere had its flaws to be sure, but I was way more entertained watching it than I was watching most of Demon Slayer. Then again, I'm a grown ass adult while Demon Slayer is aimed at kids and pre-teens, so obviously I'm going to be more attached to the show made for my demographic than one that I've grown out of. I'd certainly recommend this to other grown-ass men before Demon Slayer and I think that's what Thomas was going for.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#45: May 14th 2021 at 4:28:38 AM

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That's my feeling on it too. The robots were especially weird since they never explained why they were in that period. The supernatural stuff didn't bother me as much as the robots.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#46: May 14th 2021 at 7:31:09 PM

Well it depends on the type of robot. Were they classic sci-fi metal robots, or were they karakuri?

NthEquation from Africa Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#47: May 15th 2021 at 1:02:43 AM

@theLibrarian There are at least two types of robots in this show: Power suits that are piloted by people, and Sentient robots

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#48: May 15th 2021 at 6:41:10 AM

Ah, yeah, that's much more odd than karakuri.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#49: May 16th 2021 at 9:43:04 AM

The closest we get to an explanation for the Humongous Mecha is that they were reverse-engineered from the Mongolians. Which is an entire story by itself.

Say what you will about the average shounen, and there’s a lot of criticism to be had, I wouldn’t recommend Yasuke to anyone. It is, put simply, disjointed to a hilarious degree because Thomas wants to put everything in it. As a result, the elements present don’t have any sort of real elaboration, they just are, and it feels supremely disjointed and immature as a result.

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#50: May 16th 2021 at 9:57:03 AM

Basically, Lesean Thomas wants to make his stuff be like Symphogear (To the point Cannon Busters was even done at Symphogear's animation studio, Satelite) while not understanding why it works.

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