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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#301: May 26th 2021 at 12:49:33 PM

[up] I think Turtles Forever was mostly the makers of the 2003 series venting their anger at constantly being compared to the 1987 series.

If Mojo does turn out to be human, do you think the change was due to a green chimp not being "dark" enough or for budgetary reasons?

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#302: May 26th 2021 at 12:52:10 PM

[up]I'd say a little of both. The CW has had Gorilla Grodd running around in The Flash (2014) since the start, but at the same time Jojo the human doesn't work if his dad is an ape.

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#303: May 26th 2021 at 1:19:05 PM

I read bits and pieces that were still around after the strike and... Yikes. Are we sure that script wasn't from a porn parody? Like one of those cheap superhero knockoff pornos?

No? Yikes... Because that's legit what it read like to me. A really distasteful porn parody script. Nothing in Turtles Forever was nearly that distasteful to me, though looking back it did kind of go a little far in hating the 1987 Turtles.

Edited by PhiSat on May 26th 2021 at 2:20:19 AM

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#304: May 26th 2021 at 1:53:59 PM

I think Turtles Forever was mostly the makers of the 2003 series venting their anger at constantly being compared to the 1987 series

The creators of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were part of the creative team. It's why the 2K3 show was more faithful to the source material than the 80's cartoon. I certainly don't think they were "venting their anger"

Anyway, it's not comparable to this situation since the 80's show wasn't the source material, the Mirage comics TMNT are the source material and the 2003 show was actually very faithful to it even if it also did it's own spin on things. The Mirage Turtles themselves were treated with respect and the story even points out how the other Turtles wouldn't exist without them.

Edited by Cortez on May 27th 2021 at 2:59:31 PM

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#305: May 26th 2021 at 2:20:40 PM

I have to wonder if the failed pilot script should have its own trope page. [lol]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
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#306: May 26th 2021 at 2:22:15 PM

On one hand, I think that early 10's Wonder Woman pilot had one, but I think we actually got footage on that one, on the other, how do you avoid it becoming a cesspit with all the vitriol directed to it?

Edited by Blueace on May 28th 2021 at 12:31:48 PM

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#307: May 26th 2021 at 2:24:51 PM

[up]

Maybe that pilot wasn't bad, just not all that interesting.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#308: May 26th 2021 at 2:32:12 PM

[up][up]That pilot was released at a convention and we have video evidence of it online thanks to Linkara, Nash, and Film Brain reviewing it, along with a latter review from SF Debris. We have the script here. Is it enough?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#309: May 26th 2021 at 2:35:03 PM

Unfortunately, Diablo Cody also wrote Juno. And I don't see the CW saying no to the person who wrote Juno.

I'm remembered of how Jodi Picoult was given the job of writing Wonder Woman and her run was filled with moments pointing out how Diana is seen as an inferior superhero in-universe (one gag even mentions a drink based on her being discontinued due to lack of popularity). This clearly wasn't endearing Diana to audiences but DC wasn't about to tell a major author she was screwing up.

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#310: May 26th 2021 at 3:00:02 PM

[up][up] We do have the Script/ namespace, but considering it was leaked and is getting taken down, it would be a bad idea to make a page for it. Not to mention it'd for sure quickly devolve into a toxic cesspool.

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#311: May 26th 2021 at 3:04:00 PM

I hope this does not come across as too tasteless, but I've been giggling to myself all day at the fact that the name of The CW's CEO is Mark Pedowitz.

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#312: May 28th 2021 at 8:08:43 AM

This pilot makes Batwoman look like Shakespeare.

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#313: May 28th 2021 at 10:33:56 AM

Ok wait now I want to know if my initial fear turned out to be the case: Could the pilot be accurately described as "The worst parts of Riverdale meets the most "we live in a society" parts of The Boys"?

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#314: May 28th 2021 at 11:56:34 AM

I had some trouble stomaching it but I finally pushed myself to reading the entire script.

They did Bubbles and Professor Utonium dirty. These issues were pretty clear from the first couple pages - Bubbles an Utonium are obsessed with their 'brand' in what seems like a very poorly executed meta-commentary.

I don't really get why they made Mojo Jojo into two human people. Especially at the end of the script where it turns out Mojo's brain has been transplanted into his pet monkey. I mean if you are going to have that reveal at the end then what was the point in making him human??

I don't buy the girls deciding to stay in Townsville at the end. It felt kind of forced and did not really make sense for their characters, especially Blossom.

There are way too many forced pop-culture references in this script. Blossom is talking to her boyfriend using bitmoji (who does that???). Bubbles and Utonium keep on talking about weird 80s movies which the script assumes everyone remembers. It just doesn't land, a lot of these references are very dated and I am not sure which demographic they are targeted at.

Having Blossom deal with PTSD is an interesting idea, but it could have been executed better. Buttercup came out of this the most unscathed, however I later read about the Unfortunate Implications of making the one tomboyish aggressive Powerpuff Girl a black lesbian so . . .

I think the biggest overall problem is this pilot is trying to make the show gritty and realistic and distance itself from the silly campy stuff of the original cartoon. Now we all know this is a very dated idea that a lot of execs are still obsessed with. But this pilot somehow botches *that*. The writer is trying to hard to go in the opposite direction and makes the show seem somehow more silly and embarrasing.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#315: May 28th 2021 at 12:26:40 PM

[up][up]The best way to describe it is a Powerpuff Girls story by someone who absolutely hates the Powerpuff Girls and is also trying to imitate Riverdale.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#316: May 28th 2021 at 1:27:54 PM

I was going to add a postscript: The problem with most CW shows is they try too hard to be dark and gritty and want to be taken seriously so bad it has the opposite effect

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#317: May 28th 2021 at 1:29:11 PM

I think someone said it's the tv equivalent of the the Steve buscmei "How do you do fellow kids ?" Meme in how Totally Radical it is.

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#318: May 28th 2021 at 3:45:10 PM

[up]There's an entire scene where Bubbles derisively refers to the cartoon as "whitewashed" since it was In-Universe propaganda and it's implied all the girls hated it.

Oh, so the cartoon is actually Show Within a Show in this show?

Huh. That could have been interesting.

I would honestly write about the Girls doing the inverse of the now cliched "hero hates hero life as they grow up" into a more original "hero can't get accustomed to normal life because crimefighting was awesome!" storyline like The Incredibles did

I like that idea.

I'd honestly compare it to Turtles Forever, that crossover between the '87 and '03 Ninja Turtles cartoon that brushed off everything in the original show as stupid nonsense while taking their own stupid nonsense as serious business. Really not self-aware at all.

The 03 turtles got their share of that too. They weren't as intense as the Mirage Turtles.

Edited by FOFD on May 28th 2021 at 6:58:46 AM

Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#319: May 28th 2021 at 8:39:12 PM

"There's an entire scene where Bubbles derisively refers to the cartoon as "whitewashed" since it was In-Universe propaganda and it's implied all the girls hated it."

See, that's a problem because the audience of a live action Powerpuff Girls show is likely to be mostly composed of people who actually liked the cartoon. So that's kind of spitting in their faces. Then again, from the sound of things, they seem to be writing the show for people who didn't like the original cartoon; the script seems successful in that regard, but it forces one to ask "why bother?" In either case, why bother? Why make a TV series that twists something you like into a joyless parody of itself, or (taking it from the other angle) essentially amounts to wiping your butt with something you don't like?

MisterZygarde64 Crazy Crossover Creator - A Man with Many Hypoth from New Mobotropolis, Mushroom Kingdom Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#320: May 28th 2021 at 10:02:02 PM

Has anyone here noticed the Unfortunate Implications of what they did to Professor Utonium?

  • The Caucasian Utonium of the original show - Kind and loving father who to say he cares for his daughters would be an understatement. All in spite of their creation being by complete accident.

  • The African-American Utonium of the Live Action show - An abusive dick who stole the glory from his white partner and then exploited his children just to become rich.

Kind reminds me of how the Brain Dump episode covering the 2016 reboot discussed the lessons that show could impart on today's youth.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#321: May 28th 2021 at 10:08:11 PM

Wait the actor for the Professor is black?

Huh did not know that. I haven’t seen an image of him actually.

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#322: May 28th 2021 at 10:34:50 PM

[up] Donald Faison. as a reference

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#324: May 28th 2021 at 10:40:27 PM

He basically is more Dick Hardly here. A scummy scientist who forces them to do this and a huge douchebag then his Nice Guy original self.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#325: May 28th 2021 at 10:54:14 PM

Hey he does have a fatherly air to him.

Shame he’s not actually much of a father here.

Edited by slimcoder on May 28th 2021 at 11:06:41 AM

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