Misused: Author Existence Failure

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I've seen Author Existence Failure (and Actor Existence Failure, a redirect to The Character Died with Him) used for cases where a character was re-cast because the original actor died. Could we make Recast Due To Death a trivia subtrope of The Other Darrin?

I forgot we had that trope. Yeah, that seems to cover what I was thinking of.

Edited by rjd1922 on Jun 12th 2021 at 11:32:39 AM

Keet cleanup

There was also the Character Outlives Actor trope. On Main.Trivia, the trope's description reads "When the actor who plays the character dies, this is worked around by reducing them to voiceless cameos, replacing their actor or otherwise making do or removing them from the spotlight without killing them off".

Edited by gjjones on Jun 12th 2021 at 12:17:01 PM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

I removed misuse from Trivia.Ozzy Osbourne, and removed a Sinkhole from a different example for good measure.

Edit: My keyboard has been repeating letters lately because I type so quickly and my current keyboard seems to be kind of sensitive; that happened in an edit reason I gave. I increased the delay in my keyboard settings, so hopefully that fixes that problem.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 4th 2021 at 3:53:13 AM

You can't always get what you want.

Does Died During Production count as a Death Trope?

Edit: Also, I think adding Dying During Production as a redirect would make it much easier to have new wicks flow smoothly into the sentences.

Edited by CuriousRocketeer on Jul 5th 2021 at 3:55:15 PM

Try asking about the redirect in the Locked Pages thread.

You can't always get what you want.

Nudging for more wicks to be done. We're still in the 2000's (2168 to be exact).

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Administrivia.Text Formatting Rules mentions in the comments folder Author Existence Failure, except it is not in CamelCase. Should it be changed or kept?

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I'd suggest we ask in the Outdated pages thread for that. We can keep that for now, unless if they decide to replace it with something else.

Edited by Berrenta on Jul 9th 2021 at 9:36:57 AM

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I have some questions on how to handle the following wicks:

• Death was Chuck Schuldiner—until he died.
• Motörhead was Lemmy Kilmister... until he passed away in December 2015, forcing them to permanently disband.
• Penguin Cafe Orchestra: Simon Jeffes. Although there were other long-term members, it was always Jeffes' project in which he wrote almost all of the music, and his death from a brain tumour also spelt the end of the group.
• Sparklehorse was just Mark Linkous and his dreams.
• Joy Division's second and final album, Closer, took nearly an extra year to be officially released in the United States (March 1981 vs. July 1980 in the U.K.); nevertheless, it still made the 1980 Village Voice Pazz & Jop Critic's Poll as an import. Their debut, Unknown Pleasures, had it even worse. It was released in April of 1979 in the U.K. and released in the U.S. in October of 1980. It wasn't even released in the States for what would have been the band's first U.S. tour had frontman Ian Curtis not killed himself the day before the band was due to leave for America. Their posthumous rarities/live double album Still was released in 1981 in the U.K. and was't released stateside until 1985, off the heels of New Order's Low-Life.
• Seattle grunge band The Gits was fronted by Mia Zapata. Sadly, they disbanded after Mia was assaulted, raped and murdered while recording their second album, and the killer wouldn't be found for a decade afterward.
• Joy Division only released two albums before their singer committed suicide, but the ensuing post-Ian Curtis band, New Order, is equal to them in terms of popularity and influence. Not in sales though, New Order is far ahead of Joy Division there.

As you can see, they all feature a band breaking up because someone died. Does a breakup of a band count as a production being stalled? What about the U.S tour being canceled? What should I do if a band member died and the band continued to exist?

• Death was Chuck Schuldiner—until he died.
  • Just "person dies", nothing about production being affected. Dewick.
• Motörhead was Lemmy Kilmister... until he passed away in December 2015, forcing them to permanently disband.
  • Just "person dies", with no mention of any albums in progress. Dewick.
• Penguin Cafe Orchestra: Simon Jeffes. Although there were other long-term members, it was always Jeffes' project in which he wrote almost all of the music, and his death from a brain tumour also spelt the end of the group.
  • Again, no mention of any albums in progress. Dewick.
• Sparklehorse was just Mark Linkous and his dreams.
  • Very low on context. Dewick.
• Joy Division's second and final album, Closer, took nearly an extra year to be officially released in the United States (March 1981 vs. July 1980 in the U.K.); nevertheless, it still made the 1980 Village Voice Pazz & Jop Critic's Poll as an import. Their debut, Unknown Pleasures, had it even worse. It was released in April of 1979 in the U.K. and released in the U.S. in October of 1980. It wasn't even released in the States for what would have been the band's first U.S. tour had frontman Ian Curtis not killed himself the day before the band was due to leave for America. Their posthumous rarities/live double album Still was released in 1981 in the U.K. and was't released stateside until 1985, off the heels of New Order's Low-Life.
  • Dying before leaving for a tour...not sure on that one. Anyone else want to chime in?
• Seattle grunge band The Gits was fronted by Mia Zapata. Sadly, they disbanded after Mia was assaulted, raped and murdered while recording their second album, and the killer wouldn't be found for a decade afterward.
  • They were recording an album at the time. That can be changed to Died During Production.
• Joy Division only released two albums before their singer committed suicide, but the ensuing post-Ian Curtis band, New Order, is equal to them in terms of popularity and influence. Not in sales though, New Order is far ahead of Joy Division there.
  • That's unclear if it's correct, as I see nothing about the suicide happening when they're making a third album. Dewick.

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Thanks!

Edit: Looking at Joy Division's wiki page, it seems that he died before the second album's release, but after it was recorded.

Edited by CuriousRocketeer on Jul 9th 2021 at 12:11:36 PM

Has this all been cleaned, and now it's just a name change procedure or something? Since Overdosed Tropes had its entry changed, implying the number's sorta stable now?

Or, just due to being one of the Main wicks...

Edited by Malady on Jul 9th 2021 at 9:06:41 AM

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Oh yeah, I changed it when I encountered it on the list. Considering that are probably many more dewickings to come, I maybe should have hold off, huh?

The examples I previously said I removed from Trivia.Ozzy Osbourne (regarding members of Ozzy Osbourne's backing band) simply mentioned that they died without specifying whether they were recording anything at the time, and that seems to be the case with more than one of the music-related examples that were posted after I posted about what I removed.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 10th 2021 at 4:21:21 AM

You can't always get what you want.

I have decided that music tours do not count as a work, as none of them have a work page.

Also, I need help with rewriting the following entries:

• When Jon Anderson, Rick Wakeman, Steve Howe and Bill Bruford, all of whom were former core members of Yes, decided to reunite in the late eighties, bassist Chris Squire refused to let them use the name Yes, because he had the rights. As a consequence, they recorded under the incredibly imaginative name "Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe" (they considered using the names "No" and "The Affirmative", which would have been much better). Also, for a while until his Author Existence Failure, he was the only founding member left in the band. There are now no founding members in the band, though current drummer Alan White and guitarist Steve Howe have each appeared on all but four of their albums, while Jon Anderson, Trevor Rabin and Rick Wakeman continue to play old Yes material in the offshoot group "Yes Featuring Jon Anderson, Trevor Ravin, Rick Wakeman".
  • After Squier's death, the nature of the band trademarks would become somewhat more open. It would turn out that Howe, Anderson, and White were all partners in various LLC's that could claim rights to the name, but that there had been a long-running "gentleman's agreement" between Anderson and Squire that left the latter with sole rights to record and tour under the name.

I do not understand who "his Author Existence Failure" is suppose to refer to, and thus it is unclear to me on how to replace it.

• In The Vanishing of Ethan Carter, Player Character and Occult Detective Paul Prospero states that this will be his last job before retirement. After all, you can't go on to solve more cases when you're a fictional character in the middle of suffering Author Existence Failure.

It is my understanding that the main character is being dreamed up by a dying child. Unclear on how to reword it.

• There is an Atari 2600 game about protecting treasure from an octopus underwater called Name This Game and Win $10,000, which was supposed to be named through a contest which had a $10,000 prize. (In Europe, it was called simply Octopus, since there was never any plan for a contest there.) However, publisher US Games went bankrupt before the contest could be completed, so the game is known to this day as Name This Game. A much later, unofficial naming contest named it Going Under.

Maybe a stupid question, but can corporations Died During Production? Or is something like Development Hell better?

• Michael Jackson was going to retire from music after one last run of shows. But it didn't work out.

This is clearly not an example, but I'm afraid that removing the link makes the entry unclear. Anyone got suggestions on how to rewrite it?

Also open to suggestions for Voice Of Dramatic's blurb.

Edited by CuriousRocketeer on Jul 11th 2021 at 4:09:47 AM

There is now just less than 2000 wicks left. At this rate, I will be finished in just 4 months!

Some advice?

Did you make all the crosswicks to Died During Production yet? And just checked. Nope...

Those are the easy ones if your goal is total check.

Edited by Malady on Jul 26th 2021 at 3:23:57 AM

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Does Died During Production cover "company working on a media goes under"?

Doubtable.

"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”

I been assuming that it does not.

I don't think it does, since a company can't die if it was never alive to begin with.

You can't always get what you want.

Got it. I have encountered several company-is-dissolved wicks but none that happened during explicitly during something's production yet.

Edited by Tabs on Aug 16th 2021 at 3:20:43 AM

Author Existence Failure now has 1600 wicks.

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