Misused: Zero Percent Approval Rating

To be honest, I just think 0% Approval Rating should just be expanded for anyone that's hated by everyone in-universe. Kind of like the Unpopular Popular Character. I say it and One Hundred Percent Adoration Rating rating refers to characters being either hated or loved by the story's characters. It can primarily be applied to leaders, but it can apply to anyone who has any kind of connection with lots of different people.

Edited by TheGoddessIsDead on May 2nd 2021 at 4:40:42 AM

bit late now, and the draft for the broader supertrope is here.

Works for me. Will there be a Loved by All, or are we sticking with One Hundred Percent Adoration Rating?

That'd be a question to ask elsewhere.

Dunno, though that'll be dealt with on a different thread, for Hundred Percent Adoration Rating.

Edited by callmeamuffin on May 2nd 2021 at 6:53:20 PM

My god, the current definition is long. I'll add a new one from scratch on the bottom of Sandbox.Zero Percent Approval Rating in a bit, because I do think starting fresh is the best way to start.

Edit: A draft is up. It's a bit shorter than I usually like, but anyone can feel free to tweak it or make their own version.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 4th 2021 at 1:14:35 PM

I kind of miss some of the related-overlord tropes in the description, so I put some back.

Looks good.

But I thought we were trying to get rid of them to make it clearer? Come on... WJ's rewrite was good at least.

They didn't add back everything. Just the last two paragraphs, and they're still relevant to the trope.

A question about the draft - is 0% Approval Rating a subtrope of Hated by All?

I thought an example of Sub-Trope is always an example of the Super-Trope. As written on the Super-Trope page: "The key point is that the definition of a sub trope must include the definition of the super trope, just with special qualifiers that make it distinct."

A person who has a 0% Approval Rating is not necessarily Hated by All, but a person Hated by All necessarily has a 0% Approval Rating, so it appears that 0% Approval Rating is the Super-Trope (i.e. the inverse of what is currently written).

Also two questions simular to those I raised in the TLP for Hated by All:

• Does 0% Approval Rating apply to groups of characters?
• Can the trope be downplayed? (i.e. if one or two underlings like their Bad Boss, but the rest hate them with passion?)

Edited by Asherinka on May 5th 2021 at 11:16:50 AM

But ZPAR is narrower and only focuses on authority figures. By definition, it cannot be the super trope. It is in fact the subtrope, as the only real difference is that the character is, well, in a position of authority.

I think you might be confused about the trope definitions here.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 5th 2021 at 4:13:34 AM

Edited: Come think of it, they are Sister Tropes:

• Alice is a senior hated by her subordinates, but she is well-liked by her neighbours and friends. ZPAR applies, HBA does not apply.
• MrMean is a Bad Boss hated by everyone, which naturally includes his subordinates. Both tropes apply.
• Bob is a teenager in no position of authority, but he is despised by all who know him. HBA applies, ZPAR does not apply.

Edited by Asherinka on May 5th 2021 at 11:25:26 AM

ZPAR implies that the hatred that the character evokes is related to how they use their authority.

Makes sense.

Edit: Never mind; misread because I haven't been awake for very long.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 5th 2021 at 9:56:19 AM

Reminds me of the episode of Drake & Josh where Josh becomes Megan's new teacher. All of the students absolutely hate him for being such a strict jerkass...but at the end, they admit that they like Josh as a guy, but he sucks at teaching.

Bumping. I like the rewritten description.

I approve of the new description.

I like the proposed description.

Swapped it in and cutlisted the sandbox. I left the giant NRLEP note off because frankly it doesn't need to be so long and some of it comes off like Artistic License – Politics.

Um. Sep? The edited description was at the bottom. You swapped the current description back.

Swapping the second.

Do you think I should launch my Hated by All draft soon as it's in the new description and we have made the choice to leave it out of the scope of this?

Unrelated (but still kind of important), but the TRS notice you added to the page linked to a Morgued thread for Five Races instead of the pinned "Welcome to TRS" thread (and I ended up making the same mistake since I used it as a template for ones I added to other pages earlier in the week), but I fixed it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 15th 2021 at 3:52:08 AM