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If someone else wants to make a crowned that's fine I was just giving my opinion, I don't even know how to make one anyway.
I'd rather expand this trope and make a newly named trope for only Evil Overlords. The name as is is perfect for a "x character is hated by everyone" trope, and Hate Sink really isn't the same as that (Hate Sink is for deliberately writing a character to be hated by the audience).
Here is the crowner.
Because we have had issues with consensus for conditional items before (eg. "If X, then Y" gets consensus but "X" does not), the 'expand ZPAR to include all hatred' does not say to create a new trope for the ruler examples; we can decide on that later if it gets consensus. I am not sure if those who said to just expand the thing were also in favor of splitting that off.
Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 3rd 2021 at 5:37:34 AM
Why has the crowner not been hooked could a mod please hook this crowner
Have you hollered? It was probably overlooked over the weekend, especially since yesterday was a holiday.
I have an issue with voting for both expand and rename with the same crowner. There's also an option that says "don't expand, and make a new trope", but it also assumes that expanding is acceptable. How about the following options instead?
Edited by crazysamaritan on Apr 5th 2021 at 4:47:08 AM
The issue is that we all seem to agree on both concepts being tropeworthy; the debate is about if one trope should cover both, or if the misuse should be split off.
I still think this trope should be expanded to cover any character being hated by everyone it would makes things much easier and simpler rather than this overcomplicated making two tropes stuff.
Okay, so repeating your point over and over is not going to get it consensus, a crowner will.
Does anyone here believe that 1, 2, and 3 aren't all tropable? Assume that all three are separate tropes.
We could still go through with that crowner and then decide how many tropes we want / where the concepts go.
Not sure I understand the reasoning for "make a new trope for the current definition" not being a crowner option. Is that the same as rename?
x6 I'd be fine using those options instead. It's easier to keep track of than the original crowner's options.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 5th 2021 at 4:53:33 AM
My concern is, what do the options actually mean? If people vote that both ideas a tropeworthy, is the trope being expanded to cover the whole range? Or are we voting on what tropes to have?
Option 2 includes examples covered by option 1, and option 3 includes examples covered by both option 1 and option 2. If anything other than option 3 has the most consensus, the other options will be sent to TLP if they're still within consensus range.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 5th 2021 at 5:11:26 AM
That didn't answer my question, mate.
Which tropes to have. The created crowner has two options that, if both voted, can be interpreted in different ways:
Yeah, it's the "open to interpretation" part that's making me nervous. I don't want people to vote without understanding what the crowner is actually for.
Were you talking about the originally proposed crowner or crazysamaritan's proposal? I was talking about the latter in my previous post, since I think it's easier to interpret.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 5th 2021 at 5:15:46 AM
Crazy's. I find it more confusing for the reasons stated .
The option with the most consensus would decide how to define 0% Approval Rating's scope. The rest, if they have consensus, will be sent to TLP.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 5th 2021 at 5:20:31 AM
Are you sure? That's not what Crazy themselves said, and this is why I'm not a fan of how open-ended this crowner is. And if its just to figure out whats tropeworthy, I don't think that's even up for debate right now since nobody seems to think the concepts aren't tropeworthy.
It could be that I misinterpreted it slightly since I'm currently sick and worn out. That said, I think using those three options to decide how to define 0% Approval Rating's scope would be a good idea.
I'd prefer doing that instead of using the original crowner.
No, what I said was that this crowner isn't clear on if all three are tropeworthy. There is no clear way to interpret all three options having their own article, and with "rename" as an option, it isn't clear which would have what name. So, first order of business, vote on which concepts are tropeworthy. Second order (different crowner), what happens to the name ZPAR, then additional names as needed.
Edited by crazysamaritan on Apr 5th 2021 at 6:31:51 AM
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How well does it match the trope?