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WarJay77 NaNo word tracker: 49,009/50,000 from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Oct 6th 2021 at 11:08:02 AM

Not So Similar needs its own wick check and thread.

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randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation
Oct 7th 2021 at 11:50:26 PM

Just looking at Not So Similar there seems to be two types of examples:

  • Characters A and B have similarities but also differences
  • Character A claims they and Character B are the same, only for Character B to point out how they are not

WarJay77 NaNo word tracker: 49,009/50,000 from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Oct 9th 2021 at 10:54:24 AM

One of the sandbox wicks Septimus cut just got added back. Does that qualify as an Edit War?

Note that it's a sandbox for the Pantheon project, and the people at the thread were already informed about the cleanup effort and cleared out the wicks for us. So I'm not sure what's up here. I guess we can ping Nightelf here if we need to?

2 other wicks also got added since last night, which is always annoying, but I can't find these ones because they're buried in Character/ or Recap/.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 9th 2021 at 1:55:49 PM

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Oct 9th 2021 at 12:01:36 PM

~Nightelf37, why did you add Not So Different back to Sandbox2.Nightelf 37?

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Oct 9th 2021 at 7:08:21 PM

Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. I always put my Sandbox 2 text in a text document, and just copy-paste it whenever I feel like editing my page. It (most probably) won't happen again.

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WarJay77 NaNo word tracker: 49,009/50,000 from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Oct 13th 2021 at 1:14:53 AM

We're at 2898 now. The most annoying part is coming back to see new wicks added to namespaces we cleared out, but that's mostly just an inconvenience.

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Eiryu Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Oct 14th 2021 at 2:39:31 PM

Found this trope (Became Their Own Antithesis) while considering making this trope to replace some of the many wicks on this one. Should it go on the disambig? It's not quite the same, but it covers a lot of the ground people were using Not So Different for.

(And, for that matter, You Are What You Hate)

Edited by Eiryu on Oct 14th 2021 at 4:44:54 AM

WarJay77 NaNo word tracker: 49,009/50,000 from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Oct 14th 2021 at 2:40:24 PM

I don't mind throwing it on there.

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WarJay77 NaNo word tracker: 49,009/50,000 from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Oct 14th 2021 at 2:47:07 PM

I haven't seen those pop up very often; if they did I didn't catch them.

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Eiryu Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Oct 20th 2021 at 2:06:54 PM

Can you guys align your definitions for the trope? War Jay 77 assumes unspoken realisations count and should be left under "Not So Different" Remark. However, Eiryu just removed the following entry from Guardians of the Galaxy (2014):

  • Not So Different: On Knowhere, Rocket drunkenly bemoans that he "never asked to get torn apart and put back together again and turned into a monster." Gamora's face during the scene shows her realizing Rocket's background is very similar to her own.

So does an implied realisation qualify or not?

Edited by eroock on Oct 20th 2021 at 3:41:26 AM

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Oct 20th 2021 at 2:11:16 PM

I think it does count, but if I were not familiar with the work I might have also removed it because it lacks context for conflict before the realization. Otherwise it might just be Commonality Connection.

Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 20th 2021 at 4:11:32 AM

WarJay77 NaNo word tracker: 49,009/50,000 from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Oct 20th 2021 at 3:00:42 PM

Commonality Connection involves bonding over similarities though, not just realizing them. I'd say that example counts as being an Implied Trope, though it might be too context-lite as said above.

Granted, Eriyu's edit reason didn't really explain much, so they could've removed it for any number of reasons.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 20th 2021 at 6:06:38 AM

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Oct 20th 2021 at 4:27:49 PM

Sorry; I was doing that on my phone on break at work and should've left a better edit reason. But, yeah, I'm not actually familiar with the movie at all and I didn't see from reading it that any realization was remarked on, nor any bonding. A facial expression is not a remark, to me.

I didn't see anything there to move it to another trope, and I'd sent a notifier to the writer of the example, so I figured they could re-add it under something appropriate if they wanted.

Edited per [down].

Edited by Eiryu on Oct 20th 2021 at 6:48:48 AM

WarJay77 NaNo word tracker: 49,009/50,000 from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Oct 20th 2021 at 4:37:58 PM

Actually, under the previous definition it was absolutely misuse, because the previous definition was quite literally just "villain tells hero they're the same".

Anyway, like I said, to me this feels like it might maybe be an Implied example, but I won't cry if it doesn't get re-added. The reason I consider personal realizations to count because they're still technically a character making a remark... just internally.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 20th 2021 at 7:54:37 AM

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Oct 21st 2021 at 4:13:23 AM

The example notes a facial expression of acknowledgment which qualifies as "implied" in my book.

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Oct 22nd 2021 at 10:17:04 PM

Still working on Recap/, and on the D's now. Might need someone to do the Doctor Who pages for me because I'm behind on the series and don't want spoilers (just finished 10's run).

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Oct 27th 2021 at 5:17:13 PM

Final stretch. We're sub-2,000!

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TheWalkingDude Proud member of the Blindboy Boatclub from Scotland, Aberdeenshire Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Nov 2nd 2021 at 6:04:14 AM

I have a question (and sorry if this was discussed before and I missed it):

So if this trope is now about a character talking about their similarity to another character instead of two characters having similarities not remarked upon but still made clear by the narrative, then where do examples of the later go?

In Mirror Character?

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Eiryu Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Nov 2nd 2021 at 6:46:30 AM

Well...maybe. A Mirror Character is a specific kind of narrative impact. Sometimes it might be under a different trope like In the Blood or Shared Family Quirks or Too Much Alike or something.

TheWalkingDude Proud member of the Blindboy Boatclub from Scotland, Aberdeenshire Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Nov 2nd 2021 at 10:20:23 AM

Alright, so does that means we should all be moving examples from "Not So Different" remark to Mirror Character?

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WarJay77 NaNo word tracker: 49,009/50,000 from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Nov 2nd 2021 at 10:35:40 AM

If you want to. If you see misuse, go for it. But right now, our only real concern is moving or cutting all Not So Different wicks.

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Eiryu Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Nov 2nd 2021 at 10:53:07 AM

^^ In dewicking, I have found it very unlikely that all examples of those tropes are synonymous. Most honestly aren't. A Mirror Character is not just "These characters have one or two things in common!" which is what a lot of examples are.

Edited by Eiryu on Nov 2nd 2021 at 12:53:53 PM

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