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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#151: May 17th 2021 at 9:57:12 PM

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Even that's arguable, considering he seems to be actually hallucinating and the moment he realised what was going on (when he sat down in Sophie's flat and she didn't actually really know him), he just left.

He definitely latches onto her phychologically, simply due to her being one of the few people he meets who don't treat him with derision. I'm not sure "entitlement" is the right word for it, though.

I feel like the whole "Joker is in incel" thing mainly stems from mainstream media outlets' lamenting how the movie didn't actually cause any mass shootings.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on May 17th 2021 at 6:57:53 PM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#152: May 17th 2021 at 10:01:43 PM

Oh definitely, the whole media discourse surrounding Joker was so manufactured.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#153: May 17th 2021 at 10:11:53 PM

It was cut from the movie, but in the original script for Joker in the apartment scene Arthur goes on a big misogynistic rant at Sophie.

Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#154: May 17th 2021 at 10:22:10 PM

Alright, I'm sure we have a relevant thread for this. Politics in Media, maybe, that thread is having a discussion very similar to this one at the moment.

To rerail - has anyone else done a 180 on their opinion of the film? I was very skeptical about the movie when it first came out because it seemed like just another live-action adaptation, but I've heard nothing but good news about it and what little of the plot we know is genuinely interesting

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#155: May 18th 2021 at 12:52:59 AM

Not a complete 180 but maybe a 90. Was more than happy for this to be yet another live action Disney I did not watch and had no intention of watching but if the early good press holds true then I might give it a watch... Once it's free.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#156: May 18th 2021 at 6:03:29 AM

I was worried Cruella would get the Maleficent treatment, so I’m happy she doesn’t seem to do that here.

The legend has returned.
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#157: May 18th 2021 at 10:41:38 AM

The real problem with Maleficent is not that they tried to make her sympathetic or give her a Freudian excuse, the problem is that they basically turned her into a heroine, with Aurora's father being the real villain.

I think a story in which Maleficent turned evil due to abuse might have worked, if not because this version of Maleficent is not even evil.

You can say bad things about the Joker from the homonymous movie or the telltale games version, but at least these versions reminded that the Joker is a villain, even if he has a sympathetic background.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on May 18th 2021 at 10:42:23 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#158: May 18th 2021 at 11:26:41 AM

Oh man, the war over Cruella or Joker is going to be hilarious.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#159: May 18th 2021 at 11:29:01 AM

I feel like Joker wins easily unless Cruella’s super amazing.

The legend has returned.
Bornstellar Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#160: May 18th 2021 at 11:34:00 AM

I get the feeling it will certainly be more bombastic then Joker at least. Probably more fun and wild.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#161: May 18th 2021 at 11:49:21 AM

It doesn’t matter over which is more quality, there will be people on the net arguing over both movies for a variety of reasons.

Like the DC and Disney rivalry some fans have.

Like I still remember the Disney bribes critics theory people peddled unironically.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Deadly Vu!
#162: May 23rd 2021 at 1:43:12 PM

In preparation for the upcoming movie, Youtuber Jon Solo discusses the original 101 Dalmatians book.

The new Cruella movie had better show her drinking ink...

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Pachylad (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#163: May 26th 2021 at 10:36:34 PM

Holy shiiiiiiiiiit, Hollywood Reporter's review of the film is now out, and they claim that an important plot point is that DALMATIANS LITERALLY KILLED CRUELLA'S MUM

Mayhem ensues and Cruella finds herself running from security guards and three angry Dalmatians, ending up on the estate’s veranda, where she sees her mother talking to a mysterious figure. In an unexpected turn, the dogs attack Cruella’s mother, pushing her off the terrace’s edge.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#164: May 26th 2021 at 10:44:07 PM

Kick the Dog, Inverted Trope? tongue

Reverse John Wick.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on May 26th 2021 at 10:44:54 AM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#165: May 26th 2021 at 11:00:45 PM

Oh great, justified dog-murdering. Don't know what I expected.

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#166: May 27th 2021 at 3:58:36 AM

Oh my god. That has to be one of the dumbest things I could have imagined for this movie. Any hope I had for this just went out the window. lol This was something I assure you *someone* said as a joke about what this movie would have.

Edited by InkDagger on May 27th 2021 at 3:59:01 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#167: May 27th 2021 at 5:36:25 AM

Holy fuck this is the funniest shit I’ve ever seen. This is a Freudian Excuse we’re supposed to take seriously?

The legend has returned.
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#168: May 27th 2021 at 5:39:12 AM

So the mysterious dude who would have told the dogs to attack her gets a pass because....

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#170: May 27th 2021 at 7:19:49 AM

I think it could work, depending on how seriously the movie actually presents anything.

Also, aren't Dalmatians really vicious in real life?

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Goku Black
#171: May 27th 2021 at 7:33:26 AM

Fun fact...

In Once Upon a Time,Cruella used dalmatioms to kill her mother the same way.

So a weird reverse from that.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#172: May 27th 2021 at 7:57:54 AM

[up][up] Not especially but they have been used as guard dogs and an angry one is not something to take lightly.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#173: May 27th 2021 at 8:19:45 AM

@The spoilered thing.

<facepalm>

They did the one thing people told them not to do. Hopefully it's like a dream sequence or isn't what it appears or something.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#174: May 27th 2021 at 11:33:39 AM

Silent Hill 2 is real. Dogs are evil masterminds.

Just Makima.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#175: May 27th 2021 at 12:04:35 PM

[up] One of these days, I'm going to actually play a Silent Hill game. It seems anything can happen in that franchise.


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