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jandn2014 Very Spooky from somewhere in Connecticut Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#1: Feb 16th 2021 at 5:19:31 PM

This image failed to reach consensus in the Image Suggestions thread. Any ideas?

I thought this one worked.

Edited by jandn2014 on Feb 16th 2021 at 8:21:40 AM

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#2: Feb 20th 2021 at 8:48:08 PM

My only objection is that it's a bit long, but I'm not sure that losing the first panel gives the other two enough context.

Kappaclystica 『  』 from The 'hood (of a pasty upper-middle class suburb) Since: Jan, 2019
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#3: Feb 20th 2021 at 9:45:44 PM

I think OP works as is.

petersohn from Earth, Solar System (Long Runner) Relationship Status: Hiding
#4: Feb 21st 2021 at 12:07:25 AM

Last panel is enough.

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#5: Feb 21st 2021 at 1:19:22 AM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/bloody_bart_respect_0.png

Edited by eroock on Feb 21st 2021 at 1:22:08 AM

TheUnsquished Filthy casual from Southern Limey Land (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#6: Feb 21st 2021 at 1:22:42 AM

It could work?

(Annoyed grunt)
Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#7: Feb 21st 2021 at 1:55:08 AM

I think panels 1+3 would be better, to show that the guy on the right is indeed a bad guy.

BombonBombin Mutant Child from Mexico City Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#9: Feb 21st 2021 at 6:40:12 AM

Ehhhh...not really sure that 1 + 3 gets enough of the "why" behind the respect.

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#10: Feb 21st 2021 at 8:17:57 PM

Is the "why" actually important to the trope? I don't think it really matters whether the villain respects the hero for their virtue, competence, or something else.

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#11: Feb 22nd 2021 at 6:29:46 AM

[up] It's not crucial, but in this particular example, jumping from 1 to 3 leaves me asking "why?" and that implies a lack of context.

petersohn from Earth, Solar System (Long Runner) Relationship Status: Hiding
#12: Feb 22nd 2021 at 7:33:29 AM

I don't think that the hero's motivation is important for this trope. It is about the villain's reaction.

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Drope Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#13: Feb 22nd 2021 at 4:11:27 PM

[up]Yeah, but what is the villain reacting to?

Is the 3-panel version really that bad? Pretty sure there are many examples with 3 panels or more.

Edited by Drope on Feb 22nd 2021 at 4:12:38 AM

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petersohn from Earth, Solar System (Long Runner) Relationship Status: Hiding
#14: Feb 22nd 2021 at 10:33:07 PM

The 3-panel version is unnecessarily long. The last panel in itself shows 100% of the trope: that the villain acknowledges the hero's virtues when being defeated. The first panel adds some context that the big guy is really a criminal and thus we are seeing the capture of a villain, not a kidnapping by the villain. The second panel adds the hero's motivation, which is quite frankly unimportant for the trope.

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Drope Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#15: Feb 23rd 2021 at 1:55:10 AM

[up]is it? The respect has to come from somewhere.

Like, the description mentions the hero doing something heroic that makes even the villain acknowledge them.

And really without the context of the second panel, youu'd just end up with Worthy Opponent instead.

Edited by Drope on Feb 23rd 2021 at 1:57:54 AM

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#16: Feb 23rd 2021 at 6:49:49 AM

1+2+3 > 1+3 > blank > 3 by itself.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
jandn2014 Very Spooky from somewhere in Connecticut Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#17: Feb 28th 2021 at 7:54:41 AM

Bump. I’m still in favor of the full image.

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#22: Mar 9th 2021 at 6:53:13 AM

Votes bump; one in the green right now.

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#23: Mar 11th 2021 at 8:19:43 AM

One more bump; still one in the green.

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#24: Mar 12th 2021 at 7:45:42 PM

Calling for the OP as is. It's in and tagged; caption?

Old pic:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/rco019_1468808015.jpg

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#25: Mar 14th 2021 at 5:29:30 PM

No caption discussion for a couple of days; locking up.

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