Soft Split Cleanup

It's a very old page, and has undergone several edit wars. While I'd agree that it's probably fine to re-order alphabetically, it might be a good idea to wait a day or two, maybe drop a query on ATT if no one else chimes in here.

I have now transferred the Sandbox for Epic Race to the main page. What's next?

As far as this thread goes, that page is done. Looks good. If you want help with specific ZC Es, there is a thread for that here in LongTermProjects.

Shall we send the Sandbox.Epic Race to the Cut List since we don't need it anymore?

Yes. Go for it!

Does this thread cover soft-split work pages too?

Don't see why not; they'd have similar problems.

Great! I didn't want to forget about this. There are a bunch of game show pages on the Game Show index that are split between game show tropes and the rest. I merged a few example lists but stopped after reaching the end of shows beginning with B.

Do they have similar problems, though? Many of the trope pages that we've looked at so far seem to have at least some reason for the splits that they show, and part of resolving them is figuring out if there's a better way to meet that need. The game-show pages are just... not ordered the way they are supposed to be.

Finished merging Sandbox.Nerd Glasses, and commenting out ZCEs. Is there anything else to be done, or can I move it to the main page?

Looks alright to me.

I just trimmed out a couple more ZCE, and folded in changes made to the main page since the sandbox was split out. I think it's ready to swap.

Did you notice anything regarding usage patterns? We were originally concerned that perhaps there was a tendency to focus on the glasses styles, whether the character is "Nerdy" or not... but that would be a separate project.

Yeah, that's probably a different clean-up project.

I've swapped in the content and cutlisted the Sandbox.

Edited by Adept on Apr 24th 2021 at 9:25:17 PM

Questionable Consent has a Type A/Type B classification that seems like a Distinction Without a Difference.

The difference seems to be in whether the uncertainty is in the "What happened?" or in the "Is that really consent?" I'm having difficulty squaring those as really that different —it's more about how the narrative plays it— but it's part of the definition, so we may need TRS, or at least broad consensus, to change that.

It also needs cleanup in other ways —There is no way that sex with an unconscious person is anything other than rape, but it's listed in the description...

In other words: let's see if there are other thoughts from the community before we decide what to do with this one.

Well, it depends on how the work portrays it, right? Otherwise it's YMMV. A work can portray sex with an unconscious person as not being outright rape, even if everyone (or at least most people) would agree that it definitely is IRL.

Well, if there's indeed any meaningful difference, the following lines need to be reworded then:

Because this sounds like a roundabout way of saying the exact same thing.

I guess Type A is when the person giving consent is under duress, coercion, manipulated or tricked; while in Type B, the issue of consent is never brought up by the plot, but the audience notice the problem through Fridge Logic?

Because looking at the examples, I'm not seeing anything different between the two "types", as both seem to highlight the exact same issue.

Edited by Adept on Apr 27th 2021 at 2:33:30 AM

Type B sounds YMMV, and thus it could be a different item altogether.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 26th 2021 at 3:28:38 PM

Questionable implies that there is no way to get a solid, objective answer.

Is the whole trope a YMMV that happens to get a lot more Discussed mileage than most, due to its very-much-real-life origins?

By the way, desite its (over)emphasis on sexual intercourse, QC is not actually a sex trope, but can cover any agreement/contract/transaction where one party's assent to the proceeds is not clearly voluntary.

In any case, I don't think we need to change the trope definition to remove the type A vs type B split, or even to cut it from the description, since in its current usage they're functionally the same.

Asian Airhead is soft-split between stupid Alpha Bitch characters and characters who are just stupid. I feel like this is unnecessary and could cause confusion. I can easily see someone adding an example that doesn't belong because the character is Asian and an Alpha Bitch.

Declared Constellations as completed in the project sandbox as we're almost done wick cleaning. The trope was indeed converted into a disambiguation per TRS.

The page for No Party Given is soft split between straight examples and aversion. Aversion just mean that a politician's political party is explicitly mentioned. That seems like chairs to me.

A quick glance at the OPE shows some misuse even in the split. The question is, is this enough of an Omnipresent Trope that the non-straight versions are what is actually tropable? I'm leaning no, but feedback welcome.

Is Anemia Faint and Exaustion Faint worth splitting out of Fainting?