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So, it's been a trend for soft-split tropes to be split into multiple sections even when it's not needed and makes the page a hassle to navigate. In some cases, the trope in question is so large that hard-splitting some (or all) of the internal subtropes into their pages is more beneficial than letting them take over the page.

EDIT: Here’s the sandbox for this effort—Sandbox.Soft Split Cleanup

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 4th 2022 at 10:16:08 AM

Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#676: Jun 20th 2024 at 10:34:56 PM

Panthera Awesome is divided to fourteen sub-categories based on the different species of cats.

SpaceKABOOM Since: Jul, 2016
#677: Jun 21st 2024 at 1:19:52 AM

[up]That can't be good. Even with all the categories it still has to create something like "General", "Generic Black Panthers" and "Other Small Cats" to put examples somehow. The page covers a lot of fantastic animals anyway ("Lynx-like creature" in Lynx, "a character who is supposed to look like an ocelot, but because of some in universe ignorance looks more like a black panther" in Ocelot, etc) and I don't the point in splits.

cannen144 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
#678: Jun 21st 2024 at 3:17:43 PM

[up][up]I'd say remove the splits and just sort by media type. This is a recipe for repeated entries the way it's written.

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#679: Jun 21st 2024 at 4:06:07 PM

[up][up][up]I wonder if that trope isn’t just “big cats exist”, but that’s not what this thread is for.

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#680: Jun 21st 2024 at 7:18:09 PM

[up]Yeah, I'm planning to wick check the trope actually, because it does seem that a lot of examples are just that.

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#681: Jun 23rd 2024 at 11:04:56 PM

Thoughts on Place Worse Than Death? AIUI the trope can be used to refer to In-Universe locations as well, but the soft split examples are all focused on various locations within the United States. Is this by design?

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IronAnimation Since: Jan, 2012
#682: Jun 24th 2024 at 5:42:52 AM

The Siberia section seems like it should be moved to Reassigned to Antarctica

The confusion between real life locations being the bulk of the examples and the tropes description seeming to be mostly about in universe examples is more of a TRS issue.

Edited by IronAnimation on Jun 24th 2024 at 5:47:15 AM

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#684: Jul 9th 2024 at 4:59:02 PM

Think in Text lists no examples presumably because of its description's last paragraph, which I'll quote here:

"This trope is closed to examples for the simple reason that organising them all into overlapping sets would be highly problematic, but the page is open to discussion when you find a distinctive method that merits inclusion. Should you feel a work needs a special mention of Think in Text's use, please use that work's page of tropes instead."

This paragraph sort of implies that we ought to sort examples by how the trope is used, instead of by media. It admits it'd be too complex of a sorting method; hence, its unofficial ban on on-page examples (Think in Text is not listed on No On-Page Examples).

It seems silly to ban on-page examples because of that, so I think we should just remove that paragraph and allow examples to be sorted by media. I'm asking here because this is technically about a soft-split trope. Kinda.

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cannen144 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
#685: Jul 9th 2024 at 5:10:16 PM

[up]Unfortunately, this is probably a better question for Ask The Tropers.

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#686: Jul 9th 2024 at 7:54:37 PM

Got it.

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#687: Jul 17th 2024 at 6:33:02 PM

Tall, Dark, and Handsome is split between "straight" examples and "subversions/parodies/etc." This is unnecessary, right?

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#688: Jul 17th 2024 at 6:44:52 PM

Yes it is unnecessary in my eyes

Edited by Echidna on Jul 17th 2024 at 9:45:10 AM

cannen144 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
#689: Jul 18th 2024 at 5:55:39 AM

Completely unnecessary split, yeah

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#690: Jul 18th 2024 at 7:42:24 AM

Is there really any reason To the Pain needs to be split between torture, Death Trap, poison, Pressure Point, Mind Rape, and "other" examples? You Have No Idea Who You're Dealing With seems to cover "other"/poison/PP, and More than Mind Control probably covers the MR variant. Death Trap and "other" could probably be folded into general torture as well.

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cannen144 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
#691: Jul 18th 2024 at 7:44:19 AM

[up]That split can be removed. I see no reason to leave it there.

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cannen144 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
#693: Aug 8th 2024 at 6:55:04 AM

[up]No, not that I can think of. I say remove them and alphabetize everything properly.

Asterlix Waffle Cat (she/her) from Ooo (Trinitroper) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#694: Sep 20th 2024 at 9:12:48 PM

My Own Private "I Do" is split between "Plan First, Elope Later", "Elope First, Plan Later", and a miscellaneous section. I don't think it particularly matters for the trope whether the eloping was carefully planned or a reckless impulse. So, removing the soft split?

Edit: Permission to get rid of the soft split in Convenient Coma for the same reasons? The categories are awkward and while in line with the trope's description, don't contribute anything to the page.

Edited by Asterlix on Sep 20th 2024 at 11:28:17 AM

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cannen144 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
#695: Sep 21st 2024 at 8:57:47 AM

[up] I say get rid of both splits.

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#696: Sep 21st 2024 at 11:21:51 AM

Good, I'll get onto that later.

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SharkToast Since: Mar, 2013
#697: Sep 21st 2024 at 1:51:48 PM

Gothic Horror is subdivided into time periods as opposed to being alphabetically listed. In particular, there's a separate folder for authors who were influenced by gothic horror. This distinction makes sense for creators like H. P. Lovecraft and Stephen King, as I wouldn't call their works gothic. But then you have authors like Shirley Jackson and V. C. Andrews whose works are usually categorized as gothic.

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#698: Sep 21st 2024 at 2:49:38 PM

Seems that one would require a little clean-up instead of a soft-split removal. I think it's good that it has examples from before it emerged as a genre BUT it's clear actual Gothic Horror authors won't belong to that "pre-genre" category.

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#699: Sep 26th 2024 at 1:29:39 AM

During the cleanup of Vapour Wear I've been moving examples to Going Commando and noticed that the latter page is soft-split by gender: there are sections for Male, Female and Both (to add to the confusion).

I raised the question in this ATT thread and consensus there is that the split is unnecessary and should be removed, but as I was pointed to this thread I'm moving the discussion here in case there's any more input.

Edited by GnomeTitan on Sep 26th 2024 at 4:21:38 PM

cannen144 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
#700: Sep 26th 2024 at 6:35:55 AM

[up][up][up] I would honestly say to remove the splits by time frame and just have the influence of proto-gothic horror authors referenced in the entry.

[up] To reiterate my stance in the ATT thread, the split is unnecessary and should be removed.


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