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So, it's been a trend for soft-split tropes to be split into multiple sections even when it's not needed and makes the page a hassle to navigate. In some cases, the trope in question is so large that hard-splitting some (or all) of the internal subtropes into their pages is more beneficial than letting them take over the page.

EDIT: Here’s the sandbox for this effort—Sandbox.Soft Split Cleanup

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 4th 2022 at 10:16:08 AM

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
Kuruni (Long Runner)
#327: Apr 26th 2022 at 12:11:37 AM

Horror Comedy is currently organized by horror to comedy ratio (with a large Unsorted folder). Since the criteria is very subjective, it should be reorganized either by alphabetical order or released date.

NitroIndigo ♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves from West Midlands region, England Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#328: Apr 27th 2022 at 8:35:36 AM

The pages for Super Sentai and Power Rangers seasons are all split between "recurring franchise tropes" and "other tropes", which someone brought up as an issue on the former's cleanup thread. Should they go?

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#329: Apr 27th 2022 at 8:47:15 AM

I would think recurrent franchise tropes would go on the parent franchise.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 11:47:21 AM

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NitroIndigo ♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves from West Midlands region, England Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#330: Apr 27th 2022 at 8:57:30 AM

They listed Ohranger as an example, and several tropes in its "recurring" section are ZCEs that are just the trope names.

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#331: Apr 27th 2022 at 9:07:34 AM

To clarify, every season in Super Sentai, Power Rangers and Kamen Rider franchises have "Recurring franchise tropes:" sections before the example list. I'd like to burn them and move the examples to the example lists properly.

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#332: Apr 27th 2022 at 12:52:44 PM

Inexplicably Tailless is a mess. For starters, it for some reason has an entire section for animals that have tails when they shouldn't... but half of those examples lack tails anyway, because organization is hard, I guess?

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#333: Apr 27th 2022 at 1:19:56 PM

[up] IMO they can all be merged together, although I could be wrong so requesting more opinions.

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PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#334: May 2nd 2022 at 9:06:18 AM

Agree with merging them all.

underCoverSailsman Peeks from Under Rocks from State of Flux Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Peeks from Under Rocks
#335: May 2nd 2022 at 9:55:34 AM

[up] & [up][up] Yeah.

That description is also a mess, and what is with Justified? That's no longer "Inexplicable" - maybe we have a non-indicative name here?

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#336: May 7th 2022 at 9:32:45 AM

YMMV.Young Justice 2010 is softsplit by "general" + season, resulting in tropes like Continuity Lock-Out being duplicated across folders. I would guess this is due to seasons 3 and 4 being hardsplit away on WesternAnimation.Young Justice Revival Series (a sorting I'm not sure is really appropriate but that's not for this thread). So either:

Edited by Synchronicity on May 7th 2022 at 11:32:57 AM

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#337: May 30th 2022 at 1:03:55 PM

Any thoughts on Role Swap AU? It's started as an almost entirely fanfic trope, but now it's gathering more canon examples, there's a question as to whether all the fanfic folders should be on their own page, allowing it to keep the media folders (rather than just putting them all under "Fan works") without causing any confusion.

Thanks!

Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#338: May 30th 2022 at 7:54:49 PM

Don't know if you read my response in the ATT query, but reposting just in case:

Actually the Fanworks vs. Canon split was done per TLP discussion [1] [2].

While not too rare in officially licensed works, this type of plot is more commonly done in fanfic, because obviously the original source material's creator don't have the time to retell the story over and over with various permutations of the switched roles or alignments.

Also I disagree with removing the source grouping from the Fan work section, especially since this is a common Fandom-Specific Plot. Rather than list "X/Y/Z, a fanfic of work T, switches the roles of A and B" multiple times, it'd be better to just make a more general statement that "Work Y has multiple fanfics that switches the roles of A and B" and the individual fic titles can have more space to describe how the swapped roles impact the story.

Basically, I'd prefer to keep them separate. Although another alternative is splitting of the Fan Works section into its own subpage, such as what is done in Fix Fic, so that we can have the Canon examples upfront without having a really bloated Fanfic/Fan Works folder.

Edited by Adept on May 30th 2022 at 9:57:30 PM

underCoverSailsman Peeks from Under Rocks from State of Flux Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#339: May 30th 2022 at 9:49:10 PM

I don't think that Role Swap AU merits a separate subpage for Fanfiction yet. The entire page (wiki source format) is only around 43k characters - 33k of which are fanfic examples. Fix Fic is definitely in a different class there, as it's fanfic page alone is 250k characters in source form.

Is there a narrative difference between RoleSwapAUs that happen to be fanfiction vs. those that are in-cannon?

NitroIndigo ♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves from West Midlands region, England Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#340: Jun 9th 2022 at 8:35:00 AM

[up]I guess it's to stop the examples from looking cluttered.

Also, Master, Pokémon? has its examples split between the actual fic and a spin-off set in a different continuity. Should the spinoff get its own page?

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#341: Jul 4th 2022 at 6:03:24 AM

Okay possibly technically not a soft split but Music.Pendulum Band is split into "song tropes" and "misc tropes". Should it be this way? And if not, how should it be fixed?

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#342: Jul 4th 2022 at 7:07:27 AM

No, that's still a soft split. And we're not aware of any reason this would be preferred, so go ahead and merge it.

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
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#343: Jul 4th 2022 at 7:14:19 AM
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#344: Jul 8th 2022 at 9:48:56 AM

Series.Only Murders In The Building is softsplit by season. It's not an anthology or anything; the second season picks up directly from the first one, so I don't see a reason for it. Permission to unsoftsplit?

Series.Scream Queens 2015 is too but I don't know enough about that show to comment.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#345: Jul 9th 2022 at 8:37:07 PM

Bumping for input on OMITB.

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#346: Jul 9th 2022 at 8:42:51 PM

[up] I think it would be ok to unsoftsplit OMITB.


Anyway, while I'm looking for a thread to ask if it's okay to hard split the anime/manga section of Little Bit Beastly, would it be ok to turn the soft split within that folder into actual folders once the subpage is made? The anime/manga folder has multiple sections referring to characters with specific animal traits.

Edited by Cutegirl920fire on Jul 9th 2022 at 8:43:21 AM

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MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
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#347: Jul 9th 2022 at 9:02:06 PM

^^ I am fine with removing the soft split or that page.

^ I don't think separating every form of animal ears and tails is necessary so fine with removing the soft split

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Cutegirl920fire Player 222 from the Squid Games (Five Long Years) Relationship Status: Paris holds the key to my heart
Player 222
#348: Jul 9th 2022 at 9:06:20 PM

[up] Alright, if I'm given the go-ahead to do a hard split of that section, I'll make a sandbox first to remove the soft-split, reorganize the examples, then hard-split the section for real by swapping that sandbox.

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#350: Jul 15th 2022 at 12:23:28 AM

Mix them. The "two obvious reasons" aren't the only cases why this would happen.

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