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#176: Feb 25th 2021 at 6:42:43 PM

[up] Rather interesting, though I fear that certain folk will try to somehow attempt to tie this to Sony's censorship/"anti-weeb" policies.

For context (as this is a pagetopper) I'm responding to an IGN article that mentions that Sony's reorganizing its JAPAN Studio and I think, folding it into their global branch

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Feb 25th 2021 at 6:43:59 AM

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#177: Feb 25th 2021 at 8:00:33 PM

Japan has its own term called the "Sony Check" that shows even Japan's own citizens don't like Sony's recent policies with third party games from the country.

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#178: Mar 2nd 2021 at 10:00:24 AM

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Bloomberg: Hogwarts Legacy devs pushed hard for trans inclusion by having body, voice, and gender separated.

The next Harry Potter video game will allow players to customize their character’s voice, body type and gender placement for the school dormitories, taking a stride toward inclusivity after several recent controversies stemming from comments by series creator J.K. Rowling that were seen as transphobic.

Hogwarts Legacy is scheduled for 2022 release from publisher Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment Inc. and developer Avalanche Software. When players start up the game, they will be able to create a character that has a masculine or feminine voice no matter what their body looks like, according to people familiar with the game’s development. The people requested anonymity because they weren’t authorized to speak to the press.

Players will then get to select one of two options — “witch” or “wizard” — that will determine the dorm they get placed in at the magical school of Hogwarts and how they are addressed by other characters in the game.

Although this level of customization has grown more common in video games and is no longer unusual, it’s noteworthy for Hogwarts Legacy. Last summer Rowling made several comments that were widely viewed as demeaning toward transgender people and denounced by many, including Harry Potter film stars Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson. The comments also rattled some people working on the game, Bloomberg reported. As a result, some members of the Hogwarts Legacy development team have fought to make the game as inclusive as possible, pushing for the character customization and even for a transgender character to be added. There was resistance from management at first, the people familiar with the project said, but currently the character customization is included in the game. A Warner Bros. spokesperson declined to comment.

Harry Potter is one of the most lucrative franchises in entertainment. The film series is the third-highest grossing of all time, with $7.7 billion in revenue, while Rowling has sold more than half a billion books, more than any individual author in history.

Last month, Hogwarts Legacy faced more controversy after gaming journalist Liam Robertson revealed that Troy Leavitt, a senior producer at Salt Lake City-based Avalanche, made dozens of You Tube videos attacking feminism and “social justice.” He also expressed support for Gamergate, a loose community of gamers who harass journalists and game developers for voicing progressive views. Reset Era, one of the largest video game forums, enacted “a total ban on threads for promotional media” around Hogwarts Legacy in the wake of that discovery and Rowling’s comments. Leavitt didn’t respond to a request for comment.

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#179: Mar 2nd 2021 at 10:27:51 AM

I'm surprise the Hogwarts Legacy devs were even allowed to get that far considering the accusations against Leavitt.

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#180: Mar 2nd 2021 at 10:46:32 AM

I definitely respect the dev team for this push

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#181: Mar 2nd 2021 at 11:22:19 AM

I...think that Hogwarts Legacy decision might backfire.

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#182: Mar 2nd 2021 at 11:37:02 AM

I just wonder if what's explicitly a gendered boarding school, with the majority of its source material explicitly in the 90's, in a society that seems perpetually stuck decades in the past, is really the place to throw that in in isolation.

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#183: Mar 2nd 2021 at 11:38:55 AM

[up] Hogwarts Legacy is 100 years earlier then the books, so the late 1800's.

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#184: Mar 2nd 2021 at 11:39:50 AM

The game is actually set in 1800s, so a lot of the source material isn’t going to come into play.

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#185: Mar 2nd 2021 at 11:40:39 AM

I think that only exacerbates the problem if it's just done for token inclusion and/or needling other involved parties.

Edited by RainehDaze on Mar 2nd 2021 at 7:40:59 PM

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#186: Mar 2nd 2021 at 11:42:31 AM

I appreciate the sentiment in terms of gameplay, but it really stretches my suspension of disbelief in terms of the setting, especially since even today, transphobia is baked in the culture of UK. It would have been even worse in the late 1800s.

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#187: Mar 2nd 2021 at 11:45:56 AM

By the sound if it’s they’re not so much engaging in representation as they are allowing character customisation. I don’t think they’re putting in trans background characters, they’re just letting you have your character be female with a voice that would traditionally be considered masculine (or vice versa).

If your character is trans or not won’t get referenced in-game as best I can tell, as your character will simply have their gender, with there being no reference to what gender they were assigned at birth.

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#188: Mar 2nd 2021 at 11:48:57 AM

I am just concerned cuz' that'll just empower the trolls to make the most effeminate looking woman possible and give them the deepest gravest voics possible, and its opposite. More than a tool for players it will become a tool for trolls. For representation's sake, it'd be better served with well written characters and inclusive, respectful dialogue, or even third gender options with access to either of the customizations, really.

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#189: Mar 2nd 2021 at 11:49:20 AM

Thats fine too. Still comes accross as a bit reactionary, though.

If there's anyone in the team at the studio thats Trans that legitamately tries to push for it, I'm fine with it, but if not, well.......

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#190: Mar 2nd 2021 at 11:51:18 AM

[up][up] It’s a single-player game, the trolling opportunities are pretty limited.

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#191: Mar 2nd 2021 at 11:54:28 AM

Oh. I thought I read it'd be a multiplayer game? My mistake, then.

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#192: Mar 2nd 2021 at 11:57:51 AM

A setting where it doesn't really make sense and a story where it will never be acknowledged, seemingly as a way for the devs to get at the project lead/Rowling, just annoys me more than anything.

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#193: Mar 2nd 2021 at 12:06:31 PM

It lets players make a character that’s like them, that seems like a worthy enough reason in of itself.

I would assume that they’re including racial options beyond white despite the fact that a private British boarding school in the 1800s would realistically be very white (and white English/Scottish, no Irish allowed).

Hell if all it did was piss Rowling off I’d consider that a win in of itself, upsetting bigots is a rewards in of itself.

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#195: Mar 2nd 2021 at 2:37:19 PM

Oooooh, can we get non-English voice actors as well? Since not being British disqualified you from getting a role in the films because Rowling said so. Let's upset her on this point too.

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#196: Mar 2nd 2021 at 4:24:07 PM

Ehhh, on this point, I'd rather stick with authentic British actors. The Fake Brit trope always upsets me when I find out about it.

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#197: Mar 2nd 2021 at 4:47:49 PM

I think the push to stop the entire franchise being dominated by Americans was a pretty reasonable one. It wasn’t really about keeping anyone else out.

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#198: Mar 2nd 2021 at 5:12:47 PM

[up][up] Particularly when you were going to be working with a lot of children.

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#199: Mar 2nd 2021 at 5:19:24 PM

They could always just include some non-British (fake or real) voices. it’d actually be period-appropriate, as you could easily imagine Hogwarts educating wizards and witches from across the Empire.

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#200: Mar 2nd 2021 at 5:43:31 PM

Don't mistake me for a bigot, but if it's from other traditionally commonwealth countries (like India, Australia, Ireland), sure. Otherwise, no (and yes, I know technically the US and Canada were commonwealth countries, but when I say commonwealth, I mean from English-speaking nations with some spice to it).


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