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KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
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#13076: Sep 2nd 2025 at 3:20:29 AM

[up]And there could be any number of reasons why VISA and Mastercard acknowledged it. From questions being raised by their business partners at Valve to concerned politicians, it can be anything. But claiming that it is mostly due to harassing call center agents is pretty much the equivalent of excusing harassment of people in the customer service industry. That same harassment certainly didn't convince AT&T to bring Hallmark Channel back. It certainly did not when I was working for AT&T Uverse.

Too bad we can't talk about targeting the real source of the problem because that's too much into US Politics.

Edited by KRider on Sep 2nd 2025 at 6:23:08 PM

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#13077: Sep 2nd 2025 at 3:33:39 AM

Neither did I claim it's the chief reason nor that I approve of or excuse harassment, as I have already stated. I understand, Gamers are entitled and such - no need to make light of a genuine censorship threat as a bunch of manchildren throwing a tantrum.

KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
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#13078: Sep 2nd 2025 at 3:44:35 AM

Considering I'm 1 of the people in this thread who saw from the very beginning that it's all a rightwing scheme to attack minority Creatives, especially those who are LGBTQ+, I'm certainly not making light of of the situation. In fact, it's certainly more dire than what a lot of gamers insist is a means to censor them and act as if it's still the 1990s and that they and game devs' demographics are still frozen in the 1990s.

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#13079: Sep 2nd 2025 at 4:03:52 AM

Well, we can agree on that, at least. Gamers and "Gamers" (derogatory) are just a collateral to a larger problem.

Which still makes it frustrating that the one avenue we have to try and affect some pressure on the payment processors is that toothless.

KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
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#13080: Sep 2nd 2025 at 4:10:40 AM

Unfortunately, getting various people, especially their supporters, angry and chasing after scapegoats while fleecing those same angry people dry has been the right wing's MO for a very long time.

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#13081: Sep 2nd 2025 at 4:33:14 AM

I would argue a more useful approach would be to protest Valve for the changes to Steam. Put pressure on them to put pressure on the payment processors. They've actually got the money for it, they just need to feel like its worth the headache of an actual, legal pushback.

Has there been any kind of an attempt to do that, because I've only heard of people calling the card companies?

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#13082: Sep 2nd 2025 at 4:37:00 AM

[up]Not to my knowledge but given how willing Valve delists games in comparison to a site like GOG, gamers are always too lenient towards Valve and tend to have too rosy a picture of them.

Edited by KRider on Sep 2nd 2025 at 7:37:21 PM

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#13083: Sep 2nd 2025 at 4:57:27 AM

Something that confuses me is that as far as I can tell, Collective Shout only started calling and contacting card companies to put pressure on them, and they capitulated. Now we have gamers doing the same thing on an arguably larger scale, and they seem slower to listen.

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#13084: Sep 2nd 2025 at 5:00:02 AM

Presumably, Collective Shout has people with connections pull strings on people in the card companies who are much much higher than mere operations managers in call centers. Especially if those card company executives are already sympathetic to the politics of the people pulling Collective Shout's strings.

Edited by KRider on Sep 2nd 2025 at 8:01:26 PM

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#13085: Sep 2nd 2025 at 6:13:05 AM

Collective Shout is just a pretext, seeing as payment processors are insane puritans and already sympathetic to that cause, as stated.

Should this movement die down, I expect another to sprout up like mold and continue being a nuisance - except little by little, that mold is growing bigger and more dangerous.

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KrspaceT Since: Apr, 2011
#13087: Sep 2nd 2025 at 11:18:08 AM

Where's 2025 relative to 2024 in layoffs?

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#13088: Sep 2nd 2025 at 2:18:38 PM

[up][up]

Embracer had come close to striking a deal in which the video-game publisher Take-Two Software Interactive Inc. would purchase the game from Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox, which owned the rights. Take-Two would then fund and publish the game. But the deal collapsed at least in part because the companies involved were unable to come to terms over long-term ownership of the Perfect Dark franchise, said the people, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about sensitive negotiations.

Ah yes better to hold onto the IP and then proceed to do nothing with it for another 20 years.

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#13089: Sep 2nd 2025 at 2:47:54 PM

Its MY IP to do NOTHING with!

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#13090: Sep 2nd 2025 at 3:11:22 PM

[up] Some people really do seem to hate the idea of just giving away or even selling something of theirs even if they aren't using it. It's basically the bratty kid mentality, they want to keep it just because it's theirs, even if they get no sentimental or practical use out of it.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#13091: Sep 2nd 2025 at 3:19:42 PM

consdiering that the aversge C-suite bro is usually sheltered and raised in environments that don't encourage growth, it does make sense.

KrspaceT Since: Apr, 2011
#13092: Sep 2nd 2025 at 3:31:02 PM

Feel like i've heard it said they would sell the rights, but they tend to want a pretty mad amount of money. Like let's say as a random example, you want one of those random 2000s AA game rights?

Probably about as mush as it takes to make a modern game like a Horizon, bar the marketing.

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#13093: Sep 2nd 2025 at 3:41:00 PM

reminds me of the years THQ held on to the Homeworld IP after acquiring it and proceeded to do bugger all with it

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#13094: Sep 2nd 2025 at 3:50:40 PM

[up][up] ah rent seeking.

Granted I can see the logic, its not like everything else isn't overpriced and inflated to hell and back. but "69 morbillion dollars" is still not a reasonable price for a dormant IP.

Of course I don't think the suits haven't quite got it through their skulls that IPs only maintain value if they are consistency used.

Also doesn't help that "75 years after death or last use" is the deadline for IPs. A shorter deadline would likely see less dormant IPs, if only becuase interested people would do something with them after they hit the public domain.

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#13095: Sep 2nd 2025 at 4:34:32 PM

If only they could be more like Atari, and buy the rights to random old games like Bubsy and revive them for the nostalgia market. [lol]

M1gamiTensei The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps from Punished “Brainwashed” M1gami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#13096: Sep 2nd 2025 at 5:24:38 PM

The problem with IP is that you dont know if something will suddenly resurge/become a hit. The Marvel IP after their bankruptcy basically got sold for pennies compared to what they would bring as early as the first Blade movie. Now Disney needed to buy an entire studio to get the Marvel heavyhitter character rights back (even though there is a lot more value beyond that). I guess they regret letting go of Power Rangers now.

Its so funny that Bubsy is an IP not being sat on while Spyro is.

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#13097: Sep 2nd 2025 at 6:01:39 PM

Spyro and Crash owned by some of the worst monsters in the gaming industry. Dunno if it's sad, or if it's better that nothing is done with them.

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#13098: Sep 2nd 2025 at 6:06:41 PM

[up][up]Actually, Disney is returning to Power Rangers for the upcoming reboot by the Percy Jackson showrunners.

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#13099: Sep 2nd 2025 at 6:12:20 PM

But they dont own PR, which they did before which they probably wouldnt have sold it back to Saban if they knew how IP centric mainstream entertainment companies are today. Now they have to play ball with Hasbro to get a show off.

Anyone know how much the Marvel license to make a game is? We know Black Panther was cancelled with that being a primary concern but it doesnt look to be so high that a smaller dev team like ones behind Cosmic Invasion cant have that developed.

Edited by M1gamiTensei on Sep 2nd 2025 at 6:12:38 AM

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KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
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#13100: Sep 2nd 2025 at 7:15:18 PM

Already lost count of how many video game franchises and would-be franchises being wasted because of being tied to rights. Can't even remaster their old games.

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