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Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#751: Feb 15th 2021 at 7:59:33 AM

Well, my definition of shitposting is posting memes and lame humor (that's what I used to see on r/danganronpa in 2017). So I was thinking of Reddit-type shitposting, rather than Wikipedia-definition shitposting, which is comparatively A Lighter Shade of Black (or at least, isn't cancer).

Edited by Piterpicher on Feb 15th 2021 at 5:03:12 PM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#752: Feb 15th 2021 at 8:02:36 AM

maybe the proper term is 'troll posting?'' because thats definitely what I find objectionable

Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 15th 2021 at 4:03:11 PM

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#753: Feb 15th 2021 at 8:04:07 AM

Posting jokes and memes is fine, in moderation. Nobody's claiming otherwise.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 15th 2021 at 11:04:17 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#754: Feb 15th 2021 at 8:09:06 AM

The perhaps you could consider rewording the 'No shit posting' part to make that bit a clearer,please?

Thanks

Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 15th 2021 at 4:09:21 PM

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#755: Feb 15th 2021 at 8:11:24 AM

I'm into "no troll posting". The forum threads are tad boring without jokes and memes that would be given value.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#756: Feb 15th 2021 at 8:21:32 AM

"No troll posting" makes it clearer to me at least

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#757: Feb 15th 2021 at 8:39:49 AM

That's a very extreme definition, shit posting at its most harmless is just joky posting

Nope. Here, let’s try Cambridge dictionary.

something put on the internet that is not especially funny or interesting and does not make much sense, or does not have anything to do with what is being discussed, especially in order to make it difficult for other people to discuss something:

Or maybe Urban Dictionary.

Ironically posting something which to the average person looks just like a cringy or weird or stereotypical post conforming to a norm, but is intended to mock, insult, or amuse.

Or just the Google definition from Oxford Languages.

the activity of posting deliberately provocative or off-topic comments on social media, typically in order to upset others or distract from the main conversation.

The problem here really isn’t the definition being used by the moderator team.

Then perhaps you could consider rewording the 'No shit posting' part to make that bit a clearer, please?

Adding definitions for common terms to the rules will just make them incredibly clunky. If people don’t know what the term means they can Google it or ask.

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#758: Feb 15th 2021 at 8:42:14 AM

Yeah, we definitely don't want that kind of posts here.

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#759: Feb 15th 2021 at 8:43:42 AM

Seems like people are trying to "claim" the term shitposting so it doesn't sound bad. They can get bent. Shitposting is always meant to be disruptive.

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#760: Feb 15th 2021 at 8:51:19 AM

It may just be that people learnt the term wrong, it happens.

A problem only emerges if people refuse to listen when it’s explained to them that they’ve been using the term wrong.

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#761: Feb 15th 2021 at 8:54:12 AM

Sorry,the people in this case was me,I accept that.

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Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 15th 2021 at 4:56:03 PM

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#762: Feb 15th 2021 at 9:30:29 AM

It definitely seems that some people on this wiki are using the term "shitposting" even about relatively harmless things such as posting memes and joke posts.

I agree that having the rules actually define what is meant by "shitposting" may be a bit over the top (especially since some shitposters may decide to try to rules-lawyer the situation if they know the exact definition), but perhaps they could say that the mods intend to be not too harsh when judging what is actionable shitposting or not?

Edited by GnomeTitan on Feb 15th 2021 at 6:30:53 PM

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#763: Feb 15th 2021 at 9:40:34 AM

Shitposting is... a rather grey and ambiguous term. By its literal definition, yes, it's harmful and does nothing to contribute to the conversation. However, as I've observed all over the internet, there can be different types of shitposting. There's malicious shitposting (trolling, derailing, causing drama, flame wars), and there's benign shitposting (posting funny jokes and memes). It really depends on the intent of the poster.

Note that I'm not in favor of shitposting in general. In a site like this, shitposting is not good and is detrimental to the work effort, so I'm all for closing down shitposting threads.

Edited by DivineFlame100 on Feb 15th 2021 at 9:45:04 AM

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#764: Feb 15th 2021 at 9:43:34 AM

"Shitposting" is one of those Internet words that doesn't really have a solid definition anymore. I think any rule about shitposting needs to be clearer on what it means - deliberately off-topic, nonsensical posts meant to disrupt or spam the conversation.

Also not thrilled at a mod throwing around "Anybody who likes [X] is cancer" language that would probably get a normal user suspended for rudeness if they threw it around, but whatever.

[down]Hence why I included the important part of "meant to disrupt or spam the conversation." Like whatever that Dhurxide or whatever guy was doing - specifically trying to make people uncomfortable.

Edited by mightymewtron on Feb 15th 2021 at 1:03:08 PM

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#765: Feb 15th 2021 at 9:59:42 AM

So if you have an off-topic thread, wouldn't it make sense for the topic to be mostly off-topic?

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#766: Feb 15th 2021 at 10:15:56 AM

Based on how I've seen the term used, I always thought "shitposting" meant posting stupid or low-quality stuff for the sake of humor. I never thought the definition was to derail or disrupt discussions.

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#767: Feb 15th 2021 at 10:22:32 AM

  • Intentionally derailing a conversation that is focusing on a particular topic (whether the thread is intended to be on-topic or not).
  • Posting in a way that is designed to get people angry or upset.
  • Dropping memes or out-of-context links/videos for lulz (e.g. Rickrolling).
  • Disrupting the readability of conversations with formatting tricks (Zalgo text, breaking post widths, long blocks of meaningless text, etc.).

Topics that are meant specifically for this sort of thing are "shitposting threads" and are now prohibited.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 15th 2021 at 1:22:55 PM

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#768: Feb 15th 2021 at 10:41:11 AM

Should we make a trope page for the term? There's other pages giving definitions for specific forum tropes already.

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#769: Feb 15th 2021 at 10:42:37 AM

[up] Those are actually in TRS and looking to be merged into one page. A definition can be added there, but let's not make TRS work harder.

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#770: Feb 15th 2021 at 11:18:11 AM

Actually, it's not quite the same thing. Those pages are what used to be called "internet tropes" but are rather just definitions of internet jargon.

While "shitposting" certainly fits in that category, I think there's a case here for an Administrivia page, since it's a term used to describe behaviour that can get a thread shut down (and, presumably, the perpetrator suspended).

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#771: Feb 15th 2021 at 12:08:56 PM

[up] I think a general Administrivia page on proper forum decorum would better suffice, if the forums even get Administrivia pages as opposed to keeping the rules in the "Forum Rules" thread(s).

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#772: Feb 15th 2021 at 12:09:40 PM

It's a bit off to make people read the wiki for the forum rules. A rules post should be sufficient.

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#773: Feb 15th 2021 at 12:16:02 PM

We're a wiki,a dedicated rules page for the forums isn't that absurd when it comes down to it

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Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 15th 2021 at 8:19:10 PM

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Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#774: Feb 15th 2021 at 12:27:41 PM

Note it on the FORUM RULES thread if you want people to know about this by editing the OP? Like, it's last been edited more than a year ago, an update is probably overdue.

Edited by Piterpicher on Feb 15th 2021 at 11:01:21 AM

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#775: Feb 15th 2021 at 1:29:06 PM

Even though I don't shitpost that often, I'm going to miss the feeling of it, as us Millennials and Zoomers rely on random humor.

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