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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#726: Feb 13th 2021 at 5:31:48 AM
Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#727: Feb 13th 2021 at 6:01:40 AM

> So, staff verdict? Should Trash Heap reopen with the condition of mods overseeing the thread?

As a regular to the thread,by Hades no!Having mods oversee the thread specifically would be a burden to the mods,the report button exists for a reason

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#728: Feb 13th 2021 at 2:37:21 PM

Our current opinion is that we don't really see any value in unlocking the Trash Heap. We would like to make it explicitly clear that shitposting is unsuitable for the forum, even in Yack Fest. Other than that, we don't see the need for more drastic action at this stage. We are not looking for threads to close and intend to deal with any issues on a case-by-case basis.

We have been talking to the admins about the engineer position and they are quite positive. We hope to make progress on that front within the year and may eventually appoint people in different sections of the forum. We won't be taking nominations yet, as we already have candidates in mind.

I will unpin this thread within the week. I think it has served its purpose.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#729: Feb 13th 2021 at 2:47:41 PM

Thank you for the answer, Lu.

Shadow?
Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#730: Feb 13th 2021 at 2:57:26 PM

Cheers,I'm disappointed in seeing it remaining locked,but when the rules make shit posting illegal it kind of makes unlocking the thread entirely pointless

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Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#731: Feb 13th 2021 at 3:15:54 PM

I'm glad we received an answer, but could you at least lock this thread? I understand we're not looking for threads to close, but seemingly everyone in previous posts agreed that it should be locked for complaining, and letting it go scot free would kinda feel like letting that go to waste.

Edited by Piterpicher on Feb 13th 2021 at 12:17:49 PM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#732: Feb 13th 2021 at 5:20:17 PM

> and letting it go scot free would kinda feel like letting that go to waste.

Except its not being let off the hook,the mods know about it,so there's no need to act until they have to

Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 13th 2021 at 1:20:39 PM

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#733: Feb 13th 2021 at 5:51:40 PM

I don't really see the point and popular vote is not always a prudent metric.

The posts offer explanations that are rational and sound calm. Some mention controversies but others are as simple as "I don't enjoy the channel's content anymore." I don't see any arguments or derails and the thread hasn't degenerated into toxicity or vulgarity. It doesn't even seem particularly busy. Therefore, I deem it harmless at this stage.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#734: Feb 13th 2021 at 6:14:12 PM

I thought we reached consensus that it should be closed?

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#735: Feb 13th 2021 at 6:38:14 PM

Personally I don't think it's too bad to respectfully talk about why you stopped watching a channel. We have negative audience reactions on this wiki that aren't inherently bad. Just stay cautious, I guess?

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#736: Feb 13th 2021 at 7:04:27 PM

Again, I'm more personally concerned about the "Are You Friends With The Above Troper" game since it's just...either it gives you a dopamine shot, or it just tells you you're not anybody's friend. It's not a game in any sense.

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DivineFlame100 Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#737: Feb 13th 2021 at 7:35:20 PM

Alright, if there's nothing actually wrong with the Youtube Unsubcriptions thread, then I guess it can stay, just as long as the posts are within reasonable explanation limits that don't delve into petty toxic bashing.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#738: Feb 14th 2021 at 10:52:04 AM

If, hypothetically, someone started a thread in wiki talk unrelated to this thread because they objected to the shit posting ban,would the mods permit the thread?

I'm not saying its going to be me because im bad at convincing arguments,but there probably is someone out who could probably field a reasonable argument and I'm genuinely inquiring

Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 14th 2021 at 6:52:47 PM

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#739: Feb 14th 2021 at 11:32:40 AM

I feel like a general thread for discussions around the forum rules and structure might not be a bad idea, the final call will always sit with the mods, but having a general place for constructive meta discussion wouldn’t be a bad idea.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#740: Feb 15th 2021 at 4:37:54 AM

We use the moderation thread in FAQ for discussion of forum rules. Rules changes are usually a moderation decision not a community one.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#741: Feb 15th 2021 at 5:57:17 AM

> Rules changes are usually a moderation decision not a community one.

I'm going to take that a "no",which is a pity,since I disagree with the rule and I feel it goes too far,but I am clearly outnumbered

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#742: Feb 15th 2021 at 7:14:03 AM

He didn't say you can't make an appeal for a rule change, mind you. The point is that the final decision lies with the mods, and is not up for voting by users.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#743: Feb 15th 2021 at 7:26:13 AM

They may not have said no,but that means to me starting any thread to effect of "I object to this rule change,please reconsider!" would be a waste of time

Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 15th 2021 at 3:27:21 PM

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#744: Feb 15th 2021 at 7:27:11 AM

It's pointless to start a new topic because this is where it's been discussed for several weeks already. The decision has been made.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#745: Feb 15th 2021 at 7:39:34 AM

OK,so this

"No shitposting. No threads specifically for shitposting."

I get that,you don't want shit posting threads because they're more then they're worth so I won't even attempt to argue for those threads,but no shit posting in it's entirety feels a bit..harsh?I dunno what word to use really,just feels wrong somehow

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#746: Feb 15th 2021 at 7:46:54 AM

The problem is with you, then, because shitposting is cancer.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#747: Feb 15th 2021 at 7:51:12 AM

IDK if I'd go that far, I never saw the appeal of doing it myself (at least on public n' permanent forums), but I guess some do find it enjoyable.

Edited by Piterpicher on Feb 15th 2021 at 5:05:15 PM

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#748: Feb 15th 2021 at 7:51:56 AM

And those people are cancer. Look, I'm totally fine if this decision makes some people quit the forums. No loss.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#749: Feb 15th 2021 at 7:57:01 AM

Yeah I’m not seeing what’s wrong about not allowing shitposting. Here, let’s quote Wikipedia on it.

Shitposting is posting "aggressively, ironically, and of trollishly poor quality" posts or content to an online forum or social media. Shitposts are intentionally designed to derail discussions or cause the biggest reaction with the least effort possible. Sometimes they are made as part of a coordinated flame war to make the site unusable by its regular visitors.

So we’ve got “aggression”, “trolling”, “derailing”, “flame wars” and making thing “unusable”, what out of that list do we supposedly want?

[up][up] Some people find beating small animals or bullying the homeless enjoyable, we’re not here to cater to enjoyment that comes from harming others.

Edited by Silasw on Feb 15th 2021 at 3:58:23 PM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#750: Feb 15th 2021 at 7:58:27 AM

I'm not going to quit the forums over this,I've been here too long and weathered many storms

But seeing people called 'cancer' and being glad they're gone,leaves me feeling sad

[up] That's a very extreme definition, shit posting at its most harmless is just joky posting

Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 15th 2021 at 4:00:10 PM

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