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Feb 24th 2021 at 1:46:38 AM

Perhaps the quote for Yes, Virginia (or a shortened version of it) can be moved over to Santa's Existence Clause as part of the merge?

But yeah, it's a good question: what to do with the examples where Santa is not revealed to be Real After All? Examples that tease, but not confirm Santa's existence can go under Santa Ambiguity, but what about examples where a character believes in Santa even though there's nothing supporting Santa's existence?

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Feb 24th 2021 at 8:31:26 AM

I think "still believes in Santa" is a valid trope, meant to show the character as childish in some way. One of the DCAU cartoons even used it for Superman.

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Feb 24th 2021 at 8:34:06 AM

Sounds like a possible idea for a TLP draft.

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Feb 24th 2021 at 8:57:59 AM

Okay, made a rough one. Now I can proceed with wick cleaning in earnest :P

The stock phrase "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus" seems to be fairly common in American work wicks, perhaps a mention of this in the description is warranted.

Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 24th 2021 at 11:05:50 AM

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GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Feb 24th 2021 at 7:27:55 PM

[up]I'm fine with mentioning the phrase. Maybe it can also be added to Other Stock Phrases.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 24th 2021 at 9:28:12 AM

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Feb 25th 2021 at 3:33:04 AM

So Yes, Virginia got completely de-wicked, good job. Shall we move the on-page examples now to Santa's Existence Clause if they are not already there, and then cut the page / turn it into a redirect?

GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Feb 25th 2021 at 3:59:03 AM

[up]Yes to moving on-page examples, not sure whether cutting or redirecting would be more appropriate here.

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Feb 25th 2021 at 7:43:30 AM

We can redirect for now, once the applicable examples are transferred over.

Feb 25th 2021 at 8:12:14 AM

I copied the applicable examples, down to Web Original. A lot of them did not fit, because they don't feature a Real After All reveal, or are explicitly about the Stock Phrase "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus". If someone feels like checking the Western Animation and Real Life examples, feel free.

Edited by Snicka on Feb 25th 2021 at 5:13:22 PM

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Feb 25th 2021 at 9:06:16 AM

Got the applicable Western Animation examples. This does not seem like a trope that lends itself well to real life examples.

I wrote up a combined description at Sandbox.Santas Existence Clause. I took out the lengthy Example as a Thesis and the weird Fridge Logic tract.

E: I also added "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus" to Other Stock Phrases.

Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 25th 2021 at 11:10:04 AM

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Feb 25th 2021 at 10:05:33 AM

The combined description looks decent. If there are no objections, I say swap it with the current one, then turn Yes, Virginia into a redirect.

EDIT: I also rephrased Laconic.Santas Existence Clause to fit the expanded definition.

Edited by Snicka on Feb 25th 2021 at 7:16:57 PM

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Feb 26th 2021 at 9:29:09 PM

Swap it in whenever. [tup]

Feb 27th 2021 at 5:21:15 AM

I swapped the description. Now Sandbox.Santas Existence Clause can be cut, and Yes, Virginia can be turned into a redirect. Hollering a mod to do that.

Feb 27th 2021 at 5:24:47 AM

Do we want to use a part of the "Yes, Virginia" editorial as a page quote?

"Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus. It would be as dreary as if there were no Virginias. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished."

EDIT: We also need to change PlayingWith.Santas Existence Clause, because it treats "non-believer makes up a story about Santa to comfort believer" as an integral part of the trope.

Edited by Snicka on Feb 27th 2021 at 8:42:53 PM

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Feb 27th 2021 at 11:57:12 AM

[up] [tup] on both.

Edited by Berrenta on Feb 27th 2021 at 1:58:35 PM

Feb 27th 2021 at 2:02:34 PM

I'd shorten the quote to the first two sentences, though.

EDIT: Added the first two lines of the editorial as a page quote for Santa's Existence Clause.

Edited by Snicka on Feb 27th 2021 at 11:10:38 AM

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Feb 28th 2021 at 6:10:19 AM

Okay, did the finishing touches, so time to close.

Edited by Berrenta on Feb 28th 2021 at 8:10:32 AM

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