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Yes, Virginia and Santa's Existence Clause are extremely similar to one another. Both tropes deal with a character questioning their belief in Santa Claus, only to find that Santa is Real After All. Both also include the Fridge Logic that a character is essentially a Flat-Earth Atheist, not believing in Santa despite that millions of gifts appear every December out of nowhere. The only distinction is that in Santa's Existence Clause, a character who doesn't believe in Santa doesn't want to hurt a Santa-believer's feeling and fabricates a story about Santa being real - making it something of a sub-trope to Yes, Virginia. In additon, Yes, Virginia has an extremely obscure, non-indicative name, referencing an editorial from 1897 (which inspired Miracle on 34th Street), thus painfully suffering from Trope Namer Syndrome. There are two redirects to Yes, Virginia, Santa Is Real and Santa Claus Is Always Real, which are both more clear names in my opinion.
Neither trope is particularly thriving; Yes, Virginia has 101 wicks, Santa's Existence Clause has merely 44; I blame the obscure name for the former. There is relatively little overlap between the wicks, only 7 pages reference both tropes note Christmas Tropes, Santa Ambiguity, Santa Claus, Administrivia.Tropes Needing TRS, 12 Days of Smashmas, The Santa Clause, TropeDistinctions.G To I. There are also 6 overlapping on-page examples:
How I see it, we have two options:
Edited by Snicka on Jan 1st 2021 at 11:31:05 AM
Yeah, these are definitely dupes.
Not strong enough of a distinction IMO, especially considering neither are well-used. Merge.
(EDIT TO CLARIFY: Merge into Santa's Existence Clause as that name is better)
Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 16th 2021 at 12:14:35 PM
Merge into Santa's Existence Clause.
Edited by callmeamuffin on Feb 17th 2021 at 5:28:08 AM
Merge, make Santa's Existence Clause the main trope, but keep Yes, Virginia as a redirect.
Edited by naturalironist on Feb 16th 2021 at 3:07:42 PM
Agree with the above
That's a consensus if I saw one.
Do we need a crowner to finalize it or we good?
Consensus is strong enough. Let's go with the merge into Santa's Existence Clause.
I'll deal with wicks. Already dealt with the redirects (the shorter one is preserved).
...I did find a case of misuse, believe it or not.
Still Santa-related misuse? Or something completely different, like the state of Virginia?
Nothing to do with St. Nick himself.
I remember once adding an example of “is the tooth fairy real?” under Yes, Virginia; thought it would count under tropes are flexible.
Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 20th 2021 at 9:00:11 AM
Okay, to be specific, the misuse I encountered was saying how it's possible to dislike an actor's character.
As for tooth fairies...could be a variant.
Yeah, I guess the tooth fairy, Easter bunny or the Krampus can all be seen as variants...
I started wick cleaning (got Main/, a few wicks are about works titled "Yes, Virginia" or just about the phrase itself)
Do we have a trope for "character has not yet outgrown their belief in Santa Claus" in general, without the Real After All reveal? This example from Samurai Pizza Cats:
I tried checking, but can't find anything.
We can always put that example under Santa Claus or, in this case, maybe All of the Other Reindeer (as the character was mocked for it)?
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How well does it match the trope?