I'd rather have "Rename" and "Expand" as separate options on the crowner instead of having "rename only" and "rename and expand" as separate options, with the options noting that they aren't mutually exclusive with each other.
Edit: Never mind. I misinterpreted the post I was responding to because I wasn't completely awake.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 24th 2021 at 3:42:06 AM
I got a rock for Halloween.
I made my previous post shortly after getting out of bed, so I wasn't completely awake and forgot/overlooked that the currently hooked crowner was the one being referred to.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 24th 2021 at 3:41:05 AM
I got a rock for Halloween.I think there's enough consensus to rename and expand Pinch Me.
My bad, I misread 9 and 7 as 19 and 17. Probably shouldn't have posted as soon as I woke up...
Edited by idonom on Mar 25th 2021 at 10:44:38 AM
Y'ALL JUST GOT SHREKTLaunched In the Dreaming Stage of Grief, re-sorted Pinch Me Wick Check into less overlapping categories, and cut blatant misuse. (Also bump)
So the expanded definition will be "A certain action always yields X in a dream and Y in reality", where the original definition becomes the "Realization of dreaming wakes you up from any dream" variant? Lucid dreamers apparently call it Reality Check or Reality Test.
Sounds good as long as we make it clear we're referring to how fiction portrays dreams, as in reality people have different limitations in dreams. (For example, most people apparently can't read in dreams, but I can read just fine.)
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallWhat I'm saying is, I just don't want the trope article to make claims about real-life dreams as if they all function the same way.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallNot really. I just want the description to be focused on how the media portrays these things. Y'know, the trope. Because with the way it was described above, with the concept of lucid dreamers and reality checking, it puts it into a real life context. If we're basing the trope around it, we shouldn't draw too much from real-life lucid dreaming, but instead from how the trope actually plays out in fiction.
TL;DR: Just keep it in the context of fiction and don't attempt real dream psychology stuff.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallI understand your concern, WarJay77. Let's stay away from real-life terminology then, and possibly from "Dream" too; Reality-or-Not something, maybe.
Before the rename discussion: is this typically an active Trope ("If it's not real, I should be able to do this!") or a passive one ("I'm just confirming whether it's real.")?
If it's a coincidence, then it doesn't seem connected to Robin turning the lights on. Even if it is, all he did was discover a weakness and use it. I don't think it'd really be anything in particular.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Crown Description:
Pinch Me's description is "When you realize you're having a dream, you wake up. If you think it's a dream but don't wake up, it's not a dream". The trope is misused to mean a number of things, including pinching to test whether one is dreaming, not believing something is occurring, or just as a stock phrase.

If expanded, "Pinch Me" is still a bad name.
Edited by Tabs on Mar 23rd 2021 at 1:54:57 AM