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Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#51: Mar 23rd 2021 at 1:54:12 PM

Are renaming and expanding mutually exclusive?
I don't think so.
  • Rename only
  • Expand only
  • Rename and expand
  • Neither

If expanded, "Pinch Me" is still a bad name.

Edited by Tabs on Mar 23rd 2021 at 1:54:57 AM

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#52: Mar 23rd 2021 at 1:55:09 PM

We can have both options work. Expand, rename to fit the expanded definition, and remove any use that does not apply.

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#53: Mar 23rd 2021 at 9:34:32 PM

I'd rather have "Rename" and "Expand" as separate options on the crowner instead of having "rename only" and "rename and expand" as separate options, with the options noting that they aren't mutually exclusive with each other.

Edit: Never mind. I misinterpreted the post I was responding to because I wasn't completely awake.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 24th 2021 at 3:42:06 AM

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Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#54: Mar 24th 2021 at 12:30:00 AM

They are already separate options. I'll note the exclusivity thing.

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#55: Mar 24th 2021 at 1:40:29 AM

[up]I made my previous post shortly after getting out of bed, so I wasn't completely awake and forgot/overlooked that the currently hooked crowner was the one being referred to.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 24th 2021 at 3:41:05 AM

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#56: Mar 25th 2021 at 5:55:24 AM

I think there's enough consensus to rename and expand Pinch Me.

My bad, I misread 9 and 7 as 19 and 17. Probably shouldn't have posted as soon as I woke up...

Edited by idonom on Mar 25th 2021 at 10:44:38 AM

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#57: Mar 25th 2021 at 7:01:18 AM

[up] No. We need 10 total votes minimum.

Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
Momochi Since: Jan, 2011
#59: Mar 30th 2021 at 3:22:46 PM

Launched In the Dreaming Stage of Grief, re-sorted Pinch Me Wick Check into less overlapping categories, and cut blatant misuse. (Also bump)

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#60: Mar 31st 2021 at 5:15:39 PM

Now it's safe to call in favor of renaming and expanding.

Momochi Since: Jan, 2011
#61: Apr 2nd 2021 at 7:45:21 PM

So the expanded definition will be "A certain action always yields X in a dream and Y in reality", where the original definition becomes the "Realization of dreaming wakes you up from any dream" variant? Lucid dreamers apparently call it Reality Check or Reality Test.

Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#62: Apr 2nd 2021 at 7:48:22 PM

[up] If that's the case, they'd be good additions to the rename crowner. Maybe add "Dream" to them to clarify.

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#63: Apr 2nd 2021 at 7:50:48 PM

Sounds good as long as we make it clear we're referring to how fiction portrays dreams, as in reality people have different limitations in dreams. (For example, most people apparently can't read in dreams, but I can read just fine.)

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Momochi Since: Jan, 2011
#64: Apr 2nd 2021 at 8:11:24 PM

Isn't just "Reality" enough? Currently it's not limited to an actual dream, and technically covers where "It's an illusion!" dispels the illusion (seen it a million times, though few are listed).

Edited by Momochi on Apr 2nd 2021 at 8:28:52 AM

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#65: Apr 2nd 2021 at 8:31:52 PM

What I'm saying is, I just don't want the trope article to make claims about real-life dreams as if they all function the same way.

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Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#66: Apr 2nd 2021 at 9:23:52 PM

If I'm correctly interpreting you... do you want to include a disclaimer that TV Tropes doesn't give or welcome dream advice? "This is how dreams work in fiction. Please do not tell us about your dream. Nobody wants to hear it"

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#67: Apr 2nd 2021 at 9:32:24 PM

Not really. I just want the description to be focused on how the media portrays these things. Y'know, the trope. Because with the way it was described above, with the concept of lucid dreamers and reality checking, it puts it into a real life context. If we're basing the trope around it, we shouldn't draw too much from real-life lucid dreaming, but instead from how the trope actually plays out in fiction.

TL;DR: Just keep it in the context of fiction and don't attempt real dream psychology stuff.

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Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#68: Apr 2nd 2021 at 9:50:04 PM

I forgot that most of the current description isn't about the fiction stuff, which should be limited to a sentence or two. This trope wasn't attracting many real life examples/attempts at dream psychology, either, so the animus feels sudden.

Momochi Since: Jan, 2011
#69: Apr 3rd 2021 at 3:21:03 AM

I understand your concern, WarJay77. Let's stay away from real-life terminology then, and possibly from "Dream" too; Reality-or-Not something, maybe.

Before the rename discussion: is this typically an active Trope ("If it's not real, I should be able to do this!") or a passive one ("I'm just confirming whether it's real.")?

Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#70: Apr 3rd 2021 at 11:28:28 AM

I think expansion covers both. 1. Once you think it's a dream, (assuming you're correct) you wake up. 2. You think it's a dream and take a step further by checking with a pinch.

Momochi Since: Jan, 2011
#71: Apr 3rd 2021 at 7:35:57 PM

Establishment of Un/Realness? Reality-or-Not Reveal? (edit: never mind the rest)

Edited by Momochi on Apr 3rd 2021 at 10:04:04 AM

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#72: Apr 3rd 2021 at 7:38:01 PM

If it's a coincidence, then it doesn't seem connected to Robin turning the lights on. Even if it is, all he did was discover a weakness and use it. I don't think it'd really be anything in particular.

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Momochi Since: Jan, 2011
#73: Apr 3rd 2021 at 8:06:08 PM

Okay, that was not really an example. I just want to help others think of a new title.

Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#74: Apr 4th 2021 at 3:41:05 PM

Dream Detection in the OP sounds good on first read. It might be too vague, though.

Momochi Since: Jan, 2011
#75: Apr 6th 2021 at 3:58:03 AM

That was the name for the misuse. The new name has to cover the original usage too.

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15th Mar '21 4:25:36 PM

Crown Description:

Pinch Me's description is "When you realize you're having a dream, you wake up. If you think it's a dream but don't wake up, it's not a dream". The trope is misused to mean a number of things, including pinching to test whether one is dreaming, not believing something is occurring, or just as a stock phrase.

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