So I'm the only one
who thinks pinching themselves awake from a dream is more Slap Yourself Awake than Dream Emergency Exit. Fine, Dream Emergency Exit will be officially expanded.
- Moving the straight "pinching oneself awake" examples to
- Dream Emergency Exit: waking up from a dream
- Slap Yourself Awake: snapping themselves out of an illusion
- Beat the Curse Out of Him: snapping others out of an illusion
- Proposed a draft for the "dismissing as a dream" misuse
I believe it's an issue with Slap Yourself Awake's name. I can consult the wick check project to check whether that one needs a TRS, too.
The draft looks good, by the way.
Edited by Tabs on Mar 9th 2021 at 10:59:29 AM
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Might want to hold your horses a bit, since things like this might need a crowner before we can "officially" do anything.
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Do I have to, you know, even when it's my few-month-old trope and the only thing against the expansion is the "not to be confused" effect clause I added while confused?
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We'll see what others think. I just don't want you to preempt the decision or anything. Then again if it's that minor of a tweak it's probably not a big deal if everyone else agrees you should do it.
I'm still in support of momochi moving forward with the TLP because I think we established that Pinch Me gets misused for many other things including denial that something (bad) is happening, and I think the discussion's paused a bit due to distraction with related but not-the-same-concept overlapping tropes. Also the TLP draft seems to be doing rather well right now and TLP isn't beholden to TRS. When TRS says to TLP, "Draft new trope," TLP is within its rights to say "no". so IMO the inverse works the same way
Back to the discussion, I'd still say rename and redefine. The most common usage is Dream Detection, and the second common pinching-oneself-awake examples often end with "it fails, and the character realizes it's true" i.e. ultimately serves as Dream Detection too.
My Dream Emergency Exit is not intended for "characters pinch themselves in hope of waking up; it fails". Please.
Found this in Puff of Logic (something disappears when told "You don't exist!"):
So the correct definition is the subtrope of the first, and the misuse the second? (The second trope includes many "characters realize they're dreaming because..." but no "pinch me".)
A Puff of Logic is a single entity disappearing. That's what's being alluded to in the entry.
The second laconic may be too simple
We're getting back into minutiae not relevant to Pinch Me's problem, which is that the title is bad and the description is meandering.
Edited by Tabs on Mar 13th 2021 at 3:40:51 AM
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Right. We need to get focused here. The minor details can be hashed out later, or maybe in a Trope Talk thread.
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The description hasn't been discussed. Could you highlight the problem, if you think there's one?
I'm just proposing possible transplant destinations. I already said no to Dream Emergency Exit.
I'm not a fan of the instructional-sounding second person writing, but I have no suggestions how to rewrite it. First sentence can be moved to the area where the compares/contrasts go. The "you're free" bit is a little vague and can be tightened by connecting sister tropes. The title justification paragraph has to go.
I think disambiguation pages can be edited later, so it's probably easiest to link to the tropes misuse should go to, not that it needs a big list of targets.
Single prop to determine new name? Or page action first?
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I think we should do a Page Action first.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Options for page action crowner: Rename, Cut, Disambig. Anything else? "Create new trope for misuse" is up to TLP.
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I can't think of anything else.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Expand?
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Sure.
To fit the dream detection misuse, you mean?
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That's what I'm assuming.
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Bumping for votes. 7 total is not enough.
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Are renaming and expanding mutually exclusive?
Crown Description:
Pinch Me's description is "When you realize you're having a dream, you wake up. If you think it's a dream but don't wake up, it's not a dream". The trope is misused to mean a number of things, including pinching to test whether one is dreaming, not believing something is occurring, or just as a stock phrase.
I'm still inclined to broaden this. If we are merging this into somewhere else, where do these examples go (especially the first two ones)?