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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#26: Dec 27th 2020 at 4:37:35 PM

Yeah, the benefit to using the original movie is that Frank is obviously a man dressed in woman's clothing. The issue is, again, he's not even technically Trans.

Edited by WarJay77 on Dec 27th 2020 at 7:37:51 AM

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Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#27: Dec 28th 2020 at 1:31:29 AM

I think 25 works. Unlike Tim Curry's version, who's a crossdressing man, Laverne Cox's version is an actual trans woman - and she's definitely more sexualized than Brad and Janet.

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#28: Dec 28th 2020 at 6:09:43 AM

[up] My only concern is that there's nothing that makes it clear they're Trans...just sexy.

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Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#29: Dec 28th 2020 at 6:37:40 AM

[up]But that's the thing - you can't show that a character is trans unless it's either a very badly-passing man in drag (which has plenty of Unfortunate Implications) or go into NSFW territory. The character is played by Laverne Cox, an actual trans actress, so you can't be more obviously trans than that. A caption can explain that she's trans whereas the other characters on the picture are cis.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#30: Dec 28th 2020 at 8:21:14 AM

I suggested Cox not on the basis of her being “obviously trans” (that has its own Unfortunate Implications) but that her interpretation of the character is at least definitely trans per WOG. I was thinking we could use text/caption to point out the trans part. That would otherwise need dialogue or some other indicator.

Edited by Synchronicity on Dec 28th 2020 at 10:21:42 AM

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#31: Dec 28th 2020 at 9:28:40 AM

Oh, I wasn't saying we should use the original, it's just that there's a bit of a tradeoff depending on what we go with: a more immediate (but less respectful) illustration, or an actual Trans character w/ a trans actress. I'm okay with the Cox one if we can get a decent caption.

OTOH, using Curry might better convey how dated and problematic this trope can be.

Edited by WarJay77 on Dec 28th 2020 at 12:31:24 PM

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#32: Dec 30th 2020 at 11:22:54 AM

[up] We shouldn’t value complaining about a Tropes existence when it comes to Image Pickin’.

I’d leave this page as BUPKIS, given that anything that could portray both the “Fetish” and “Transgender” aspects of this Trope without sacrificing one aspect over the other (I tried to consider the “mix it up” poster from Cyberpunk 2077, but the bulge probably wouldn’t fly with advertisers).

[down] The way you worded it seemed like complaining.

Edited by GeneralGigan on Dec 30th 2020 at 2:28:21 PM

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#33: Dec 30th 2020 at 11:25:45 AM

It wouldn't be a complaint, it'd just show how the trope tends to manifest. Some tropes are based around or are offensive stereotypes. Reflecting that in an image isn't a "complaint", just honesty.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#34: Dec 30th 2020 at 11:26:33 AM

I don't think this is a BUPKIS case. I previously said I think the current already does a decent job. Would it be ideal if we could demonstrate the transness visually? Yes. But will I settle for an image that relies on text to do that as long as they are obviously more sexualized than the cis character? Also yes.

Edited by Synchronicity on Dec 30th 2020 at 2:05:04 PM

rjd1922 Best robot boy | he/him | Image Pickin' regular, from the United States Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
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#35: Dec 30th 2020 at 1:47:46 PM

Again, can we use in-game images to show the movesets of the two characters from the current image?

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thecarolinabull01 from North Carolina Since: Jun, 2014
#36: Dec 30th 2020 at 7:08:14 PM

Here's something I cobbled together from Street Fighter V (I used Sakura since Rose isn't in SFV. Chun-Li was my original choice, but I wanted someone with a similar number of special moves. Still didn't quite line up.)

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/transgender_fetishization_2.png

The moves lists were screenshots I took directly from the website (since the in-game ones didn't suffice), but the text is barely readable at wikisize. I could have enlarged it, but it would have blurred the text and I didn't re-type it because, well, what would be the point of using the website photos?

I could do another edit, but despite the time I wasted throwing this together, I still stand by my original vote. Either keep the current or remove it altogether.

Edited by thecarolinabull01 on Dec 30th 2020 at 10:08:34 AM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#37: Dec 30th 2020 at 7:10:08 PM

Maybe keep to the first four moves? At first I wasn’t sure what the text added until I realized Poison’s move names were more lasviscious. But we don’t really need all 8 to get that across.

Edited by Synchronicity on Dec 30th 2020 at 9:10:37 AM

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thecarolinabull01 from North Carolina Since: Jun, 2014
#39: Dec 30th 2020 at 7:47:47 PM

How's this?

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/transgender_fetishization_3.png

Edited by thecarolinabull01 on Dec 30th 2020 at 10:55:59 AM

rjd1922 Best robot boy | he/him | Image Pickin' regular, from the United States Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
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#40: Dec 30th 2020 at 8:19:37 PM

[up]That looks pretty good.[tup]

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#44: Dec 30th 2020 at 10:39:34 PM

[tup]

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#46: Dec 31st 2020 at 4:30:26 AM

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#48: Dec 31st 2020 at 3:05:19 PM

Done and tagged; caption?

Old pic:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/trans.jpg
Now we're REALLY curious about "Aeolus Edge"...

Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#49: Dec 31st 2020 at 4:44:56 PM

Is Sakura a Shotoclone? Her moves certainly suggest so.

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#50: Dec 31st 2020 at 4:54:02 PM

[up] If I'm reading the entry right, it varies depending on the game. She's also listed as one in her character entry on SF Alpha.

Edited by Willbyr on Dec 31st 2020 at 4:55:16 AM


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