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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#426: Sep 6th 2022 at 9:48:52 AM

In Lightyear, each trip around the sun is supposed to take four minutes. And it does...for Buzz. For some reason, time is massively slowed down for everyone else, and the effect is much worse when he does break the lightspeed barrier.

If it was under real physics, Buzz would absolutely experience time dilation, but the trip would take four minutes from everyone else's perspective but distinctly less than that from his perspective.

Wait, you're saying time should have moved slower for Buzz, but not everyone else? Didn't Interstellar make it so that time on Earth went way faster than the space trip?

Man, science is weird...

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 6th 2022 at 12:49:32 PM

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#427: Sep 6th 2022 at 9:59:58 AM

Wait, you're saying time should have moved slower for Buzz, but not everyone else? Didn't Interstellar make it so that time on Earth went way faster than the space trip?

I don't get what you're confused about here? You say time should have moved slower for Buzz but not everyone else, then mention Interstellar as if it did something opposite, but it doesn't contradicts what was previously said. Time moved faster for everyone on Earth, slower for the guys on the trip, which fits the statement time moving slower for Buzz, but not for anyone else.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#428: Sep 6th 2022 at 10:39:12 AM

Sorry, I got the terminology backwards. Time moves faster on the planet, but it doesn't make any sense that way unless the trip was supposed to take four years each time to begin with and them assuming Buzz was dead was because he was experiencing a subjective timeframe that was so fast that he literally couldn't perceive any communication attempts (because they'd be so short from his perspective that the ship might not have been able to pick them up) and the people on the planet didn't realize that.

Basically as per the scenario in the movie, the planet should have experienced four minutes per trip, Buzz should have experienced like...two or less.

A lot of the problems just boil down to one thing though. The fact that no one knew about the time dilation problem (and this is relevant because it gets worse when the fuel is correctly mixed) is bizarre. The other thing about Star Command not ever finding them is a lot less weird, just because it's an uncharted system they found by accident.

Edited by Zendervai on Sep 6th 2022 at 1:44:37 PM

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#429: Sep 6th 2022 at 2:28:23 PM

Eh, they were trying to make their own stable fuel. I assumed it was an issue from the fact they were jury rigging fuel instead of making the original crystal.

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#430: Sep 7th 2022 at 5:05:14 AM

I'd argue that a fuel crystal that results in the ship using it to go FTL skipping over twenty years in the process of travelling a couple light-seconds is an abject failure. That is ridiculously slower than light.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#431: Sep 16th 2022 at 5:51:54 AM

Okay, I'm at that point where I freely admit that while I still like the bigger world of Lightyear, some things could've been polished on. (And now I find the Zurg twist to be kinda sorta pretty dumb.) Plus, I realize the stupidity of my last post, sorry about that, Ikedatakeshi. Science involving time and quantum stuff makes my brain hurt.

And while the movie didn't make the biggest splash financially (here we glare at Tom Cruise and dinosaurs with mild contempt), apparently its merchandise has been selling extremely well?

Because now we're getting a crazy-smart, crazy-expensive robot of Buzz from Robosen on Spring 2023. (Hope you got $799-$999 on hand!)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 16th 2022 at 11:31:09 AM

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#432: Sep 16th 2022 at 8:09:26 AM

Damn, that thing is cool.

Here's hoping that merch sales could potentially lead to a sequel like what happened with Cars. Even if it's just a Disney+ release, I feel like Lightyear was a good starting point with potential to grow into something greater.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#433: Sep 16th 2022 at 4:33:34 PM

Here's hoping that merch sales could potentially lead to a sequel like what happened with Cars. Even if it's just a Disney+ release, I feel like Lightyear was a good starting point with potential to grow into something greater.

Same! But for the record, Lightyear was released in theaters.

That aside, I don't know what happens when the movie bombs but the merchandise sells like crazy, but I still hope we get some kind of continuation. I do envision that if it does happen, it'd be like Terminator or the Sonic movie series where the first movie was like "pretty darn okay" but it's the second movie that gets everyone thinking "okay, now we're talking. A lot more of that, please!"

Speaking of merchandise, here's a review for another high-end figure of Buzz that won't leave nearly as much of a dent in your wallet as the Robosen robot will. S.H. Figurarts Buzz Lightyear (Alpha Suit)! Spoiler alert: it's a "must" if you're a big fan of space man armor.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 16th 2022 at 7:36:10 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#434: Sep 16th 2022 at 4:38:42 PM

Well maybe the next movie might be more of an actual space rocking adventure

Might even feature the real Emperor Zurg

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#435: Sep 16th 2022 at 5:21:59 PM

[up][up] It underperformed, yes, but it made back its budget worldwide, so it didn't actually bomb by this site's standards.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#436: Sep 16th 2022 at 5:23:41 PM

From what I got while it wasn't a bomb it also wasn't really a success either

So depending on how they take that it might kibosh future franchise plans

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#437: Sep 16th 2022 at 6:06:12 PM

I still like the the Zurg is future Buzz twist, but I maintain if the movie had been willing to explore darker fare, it would've been better. I do think this would've been a great movie for pixar to explore pg-13 fare.

Should we still be covering the twist in spoiler warnings at this point?

Edited by jjjj2 on Sep 16th 2022 at 9:06:39 AM

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#438: Oct 9th 2022 at 6:03:17 AM

Just rewatched Lightyear, and while I think it's my favourite blockbuster of the year so far (give or take Death on the Nile) I think the reuse of various lines from the Toy Story films clashes with the movie's "getting stuck in the past is bad" message. Especially at the climax, where Buzz definitively turns his back on his older self's "turn back time" plan by ... saying a nostalgic line from Toy Story 2.

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#439: Oct 19th 2022 at 10:42:07 AM

[up] Not really, just because you shouldn't get stuck in the past doesn't mean that is bad to remember or reference it, living in the present doesn't require you to forget and ignore what came before you are fine to have nostalgia for the past as long as it doesn't distract you from the now and what's going to come after that.

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#441: Jan 12th 2023 at 4:40:03 PM

I will say, on a rewatch, the explanation people thought of early on that there was a 'real Zurg' who evil Buzz stole his armour from makes more sense then the films explaination. Where there was just highly advanced armour and an entire army just floating there in space.

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#442: Jan 12th 2023 at 6:49:14 PM

Doesn't the film kind of imply that Zurg was/is real and around and Evil Buzz just took his stuff?

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#444: Jan 12th 2023 at 6:56:57 PM

Man the entire Zurg is Buzz's future self is just such a dumb idea, even the writers included backdoors to introduce Zurg proper.

Forget this Zurg, this is the real Zurg forever:

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jan 12th 2023 at 9:57:52 AM

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#445: Jan 13th 2023 at 1:16:47 PM

Honestly, it kind of reminds me of how the MCU handled the Mandarin, where did a take on the character that was controversial, but had enough leeway to introduce a more traditional take of the character in the future, should they desire.

Although, I doubt this film's gonna get a sequel.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#446: Jan 15th 2023 at 5:51:10 PM

Yeah, the MCU's way of doing The Mandarin was way better. The "Mandarin was always fake" thing in Iron Man 3 and then releasing a short a while later that had an actual Ten Rings member come in and go "Hey, so our boss wants to talk to you..."

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#447: Jan 15th 2023 at 5:52:19 PM

After this movie though, I don't trust Pixar to write Zurg well.

Especially since they keep rejecting Buzz Lightyear of Star Command.

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#448: Jan 15th 2023 at 6:02:48 PM

I never thought I would ever hear that and agree.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#449: Jan 15th 2023 at 6:15:29 PM

Yeah Buzz Lightyear is supposed to be a corny and cheesy space adventure series, just look at that clip of Zurg, that's the perfect villain you need in a series like that to oppose Buzz and co.

Lightyear just takes itself way too seriously and doesn't have any sense of adventure to it.

I can't imagine this Buzz saying TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!

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#450: Jan 17th 2023 at 4:15:35 PM

It's funny that despite the promise of adventure the movie was lacking on it.


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