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Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
I did some preliminary looking through some of the first season's recap and YMMV pages, and I noticed a few overall trends:
- Hilarious in Hindsight entries that are either shoehorned or dependent on both a pothole to another episode/series and the assumption that the reader will already know the connection between what's being described and whatever's being linked to
- Shout-Out entries that are similarly either shoehorned, ZCEs (some of which are close to providing enough context but fall into the trap of just linking the reference without explaining it properly), or both
- Shoehorned Accidental Innuendo or Ho Yay entries
- A lot of ZCEs in general, really
- Improper bullet formatting
I can chalk most of these up to the pages' age (since the bulk these are longtime issues with the wiki in general). Honestly, it's high time we started a dedicated effort to sort all these problems out.
Pinball cleanup thread
Angry babby
I'm going to the Accidental Innuendo page first because knowing this fandom, that's bound to be a hell of a time. And I have quite a dirty mind so if even I think it's a stretch then it's probably a safe cut.
- General example. Probably safe to cut.
- Screencaps: If you have to pause the frame at just the perfect time to get the innuendo, then it's probably not an example. The brony fandom also decayed any example of half-lidded eyes to be "bedroom eyes." I'd be curious what they have to think about ComicStrip.Garfield's default expression.
- The bridles thing is just Fridge Logic, and I'm not sure if that counts here.
- "The Hub Summer": Sounds more like Misaimed Marketing because I doubt the song in context isn't intentional innuendo.
- "Hot nuts": Not even an MLP example, plus it's a mondegreen.
- "As easy as Pinkie Pie": Honestly, keep that. I know the intended pun, but in practice it definitely sounds like something else.
- "Are you saying my mouth is making promises my legs can't keep?": Maybe? Mouths and legs aren't inherently sexual in every context. If she said like, "my hind can't keep" or something, I'd get it.
- Cloudchaser: The context sounds like it looks innocent enough unless you try to read dirty stuff into it. I say cut.
- Bridle Gossip:
- Pinkie rising out of water next to Rarity: Not sure.
- "I have located the water jet": Not sure.
- Floppy horn: Everybody makes flaccid dick jokes about this scene. I'd say it can stay.
- Spike bouncing: He's basically just riding a horse, like normal people do. You'd have to read it as dirty deliberately.
- Sonic Rainboom:
- "I've got plans": Not sure.
- Loss of control, screaming, and passion: ...I mean, when you put all of that together, it definitely sounds a bit suggestive. I'm inclined to keep it. Especially since the context that it's about cheering comes after they say all this.
- "Stare Masters"
- "Cock-a-thingies": That's pretty poor wording even in context, so maybe.
- Picture of a hammer on their flank: I don't even get this. Maybe because "hammer" can mean "fuck"? No idea. Cut.
- Twilight got stoned: That's deliberately misrepresenting the scene through Double Entendre. Watching the show on its own, there's no innuendo. Cut.
- "And your flank is very bare": I never saw the line that way until now and even then it took me a second. I'm not sure.
- "Mobbed by strangers": Makes sense in context and doesn't sound inherently dirty out of context. Cut.
- Showgirl Pinkie: Well, it did lead to that "wingboner" meme (which makes no biological sense, as funny fanon as it is) so it's a widespread interpretation, if that counts for anything.
- Best Night Ever
- Crown jewels: Maybe, given we know Spike has a crush on her.
- Catching the Wonderbolt: I assume this is another "if you pause at exactly fifteen minutes and forty nine and a half seconds it totally looks like sex" deal, so I'm inclined to cut.
- "I got you covered": Most people don't think of "covered" in that context (sort of a Genius Bonus if anything) and "I got you covered" is a common phrase that makes more grammatical sense than translating it to "I got you fucked" or whatever.
- "Hold you down against your will": Maybe.
- Lesson Zero: Not necessarily sexual innuendo, just Ho Yay.
- Luna Eclipsed
- Scary but fun: It's a meme in the fandom, so it's widely recognized, even if it stems from fun with homophones.
- Touching chest: The reason Luna pulls away is that she Hates Being Touched. Ponies don't have boobs there obviously, so reading sexual intent into it falls flat.
- Cutie Pox
- Loud clopping: Relies entirely on a fandom-specific euphemism to work. Cut.
- Viagra for birds: Practically a ZCE, but the context I remember is she was making something to help a rooster crow again. There may be some innuendo in the lyrics as I remember it on the Radar page back when that was a mess.
- May the Best Pet Win
- "That's why you'll never be my pet": ...To be honest, any attempt to make that make sense even in context has suggestive undertones, so I'd say keep.
- Fluttershy getting excited: While I kind of see where the video is coming from (because Fluttershy's voice is so breathy by nature), excited gasping isn't inherently orgasmic and "best friends forever" isn't sexual. Maybe it's Ho Yay but even then I'm not sure.
- Mysterious Mare Do Well
- Peanut butter jar: No context. Probably not even that suggestive.
- Applejack photo opportunity: Also low on context, and probably also more for Ho Yay than anything.
- Filthy Rich: It's pretty clear in and out of context that he's embarrassed to be called "Filthy" because it means messy and gross. The porn star reading is a stretch. Cut.
- Rarity riding Twilight: If she's riding on her butt, maybe. If she's riding on her back or anything, doubtful.
- Last Roundup:
- Cherry Jubilee: Honestly, I'd keep it. Even when I was a young teenager I kind of got brothel energy from the scene, but I might've been reading into things. "Quick hooves and a strong back" probably counts with all the extra imagery though.
- Derpy grabbing Rainbow's flanks: Maybe.
- Singin' in the Rain tribute: Good lord, she just slid around a pole basically fireman-style. Not sexual, just a Shout-Out. And as the entry itself points out, it's a child.
- Cows drinking milk: Forced Fridge Horror with a hint of Furry Confusion.
- "Do me! Do me!": Such a vague phrase that has clear meaning in context (she's asking the changeling to clone her) that I'm inclined to cut it.
- Just for Sidekicks:
- Winona's paws on Spike's back: Another "paused in a funny place" stretch that doesn't even look sexual. Cut.
- "I'm gonna need some of your booty": Maybe?
- "Tie me up and throw me down!" ...Yeah, that sounds weird. Keep.
- Gangnam Style dance: Fridge Horror if anything. I feel like some people don't even remember Gangnam Style resembles horse riding. Cut.
- Princess Twilight Sparkle Part 1
- "Fap 'em hard": If you have to change the phrase being said then it's not innuendo in the show itself. Cut.
- Creamy creamy frosting: The facial expression may let it slide but I'm inclined to cut it.
- Whipped by a vine: Whipping is not inherently sexual. Cut.
- Flight to the Finish
- "I did tricks with that flag the likes of which no pony saw before.": Cut, you have to read sexual intent into the word "tricks" which isn't usually what people first assume hearing the phrase.
- Miss Harshwhinny: Just Ho Yay.
- "Hot mess": Is that phrase usually associated with sex as opposed to just meaning an Epic Fail? I say cut.
- "I want you to win so bad!" Without context I feel like the "extremely dirty expression" isn't actually that dirty and "I want you to win" has no sexual subtext unless you force it there. This one's a bit creepy as it's forcing pedophilia innuendo.
- Mistress Marvelous: Is "Mistress" + lasso skills innuendo enough?
- Bats!
- "You really go BIG!": "Big" does not carry sexual connotations on its own. Cut.
- Rainbow and cider: I feel like this is meant to suggest Dash is an alcoholic, and I don't know where to stand as the jury's out on whether the cider could be alcoholic.
- Rainbow Falls: I kind of see it,
◊ but there's so much space between his groin and her butt that it's hard to see sex stuff without looking for it.
- Pinkie Pride
- "Partying all night": Maybe?
- Boneless: Almost nobody says "boneless" in a sexual context even when referring to boners. I say cut.
- Filli Vanilli: "Character's shadow looms over another for a brief shot" does not automatically mean rape. Jeez Louise.
- Twilight Time
- Goofy Time: If it requires external knowledge of memes (and I've never heard of this one), it's not an obvious enough innuendo. Cut.
- The Platters: Same as above with bad Fan Myopia natter.
- It Ain't Easy Being Breezies
- Fluttershy dressed as a bee: The butt-wiggle might come across as suggestive, so this might be able to stay.
- "I LOVE new ideas that make me feel funny at first!": Not sure but inclined to say no.
- Ponies' rear ends: Ooooh, seeing a character from the back, so scandalous. Also, "gratuitous"? Not to kinkshame but I highly doubt the crew was giving you pony ass fanservice.
- Leaf of Faith
- "Pony of a different color": Does this item cover unintentional racism? Either way, sounds more like Fridge Logic.
- Swollen hindquarters: I do remember the scene, and even though the butt is supposed to be kind of gross, it does really look amusingly suggestive. Keep.
- Testing Testing 123: Given this fandom's tendency to assume any half-lidded expression is a "dirty look" and what she's saying isn't dirty at all, I say cut.
- Inspiration Manifestation: "Bedroom" is not inherently sexual, at least not in this context. I say cut.
- The right place for friendship: I'd need more details on how the scene was framed to really convince me this counts.
- Cutie Map Part 2
- Party Favor's balloon binoculars: I assume it looks like he's masturbating? I guess that might count depending on how it's framed.
- Snake herder: "It isn't immediately obvious to most viewers what bucking has to do with snake herding, or why a snake herder's services might be needed at a ranch house..." Because snakes might have gotten into the ranch house? This almost sounds like it's arguing this was intentional, which is laughable.
- Pancake and whipped cream: Hmm...the cream on her horn might look a bit iffy, but IDK.
- "Beautiful music": Maybe? I do remember the smiles being a little suggestive, but this could belong on Ho Yay just as well.
- Party Pooped
- "Dandy as a daffodil": I don't get it. She could just be talking about feeling good, nothing sexual. Cut.
- "Countin' cherries": Maybe, if only because of the combined "Me and the boys were up all night" and the sexual connotation of cherries.
- Daring Done: I guess panting hard enough combined with "I'm coming, Rainbow Dash" could sound suggestive.
Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 13th 2020 at 2:07:57 PM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
From this ATT query.
Ramone Katrina has made some very negatively-charged deletions to MLP pages, but some of them are pretty valid-looking if you ignore the rude edit reasons attached to them.
From Awesome.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic Season 4:
- A meta-example for the writer of this episode, Amy Keating Rogers, for NOT falling into the cliched trap of "character with stage fright conquers stage fright by the end of the episode" that other Western Animation shows fall into. Fluttershy's stage fright is handled realistically and isn't totally cured, but rather, she's working her way up slowly to overcome her fright, by simply singing for her best friends and her animals as a start. As Fluttershy said best, "Baby steps, everypony. Baby steps."
- And speaking of Fluttershy character development, her saying "no", politely but assertively, to Rarity's request to join the Ponytones was quite impressive. And the cherry on the sundae? Rarity didn't try to guilt her into joining after the fact had been made that Fluttershy wasn't comfortable about singing onstage; someone respected and understood Fluttershy's fears for once.
The first bullet point is a meta-example that's not really about a specific moment. The second point, though, could be kept if the Example Indentation was fixed.
From FridgeHorror.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic Season 5:
- Suddenly Diamond Tiara's Kick the Dog action of mocking Scootaloo for being flightless makes a disturbing amount of sense. Spoiled Rich probably knows at least a few noble ponies who are Pegasi so Scootaloo isn't being demonized for her race/species. But all of the Pegasi Spoiled Rich knows are capable of flight (in fact, Scootaloo is the only Pegasus who's had any degree of focus who can't do more than hover; even Fluttershy can fly extremely well if needed). So combine Scootaloo's lack of Cutie Mark with her inability to do the one thing every known member of her race can do and you get someone that Spoiled Rich not only would want her daughter to look down on and belittle but someone Spoiled Rich might not even think deserves to be alive. Yikes...
- And how would Spoiled Rich react to Diamond Tiara losing a prestigious position to Scootaloo? Or Diamond losing her position as head of the "Foal Free Press"? ? Or anything else? Karma Houdini Warranty much?
- Diamond Tiara only had a few non-speaking cameos after this episode Is her mother keeping a tighter rein on her now?
The first one feels like a huge stretch. Spoiled Rich wants Scootaloo to die? Really? The second one was deleted because Examples Are Not Recent, though it no longer violates that rule now that it's been rewritten.
From YMMV.My Little Pony The Movie 2017:
- Genius Bonus: "One Small Thing" perfectly illustrates the idea of Reciprocity - a social psychology wherein people are compelled to respond to positive actions with an equally positive, rewarding action. In this case Pinkie's action is to show selfless kindness to Princess Skystar - giving her time to have fun with friends, even though they do need to leave eventually to save Equestria. And thus Skystar and Queen Novo are compelled to help in return. Or at least, they would have had Twilight not tried to just steal the Pearl of Transformation. This doesn't change what Pinkie did, though.
"One small thing is not so small. One small thing can be the biggest thing of all..."
It doesn't take a genius to understand the concept of reciprocity. Even if you don't know the exact word for it, "most people are nicer to nice people" is pretty basic knowledge.
Angry babby
The "baby steps" thing is a moment, but it's still kind of meta-awesome, and might better belong in something like Heartwarming. I agree the second bullet point can fit with fixed indentation.
I think "Spoiled Rich wants Scootaloo to die" point is a stretch, but there's truth at the entry's core - there's some fucked-up implications that Diamond Tiara's bullying comes from her mother's toxic influence, meaning Spoiled Rich herself likely encouraged her daughter to bully a disabled child. The sub-bullet is valid, though I'm not sure about the indentation. Agree that the second bullet works with the rewrite.
Agreed that the Genius Bonus thing is a reach. Everybody knows The Golden Rule.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
The whole "Mouth making promises my legs can't keep" is just a sanitized/dumbed down way of saying "your mouth's writing checks that your ass can't cash."
The phrase isn't sexual in either incarnation; it just means you're promising things that you most likely can't deliver on, sometimes with the implication that you don't intend to seriously try.
Edited by HeavyMetalHermitCrab on Nov 14th 2020 at 8:22:38 AM
Angry babby
Before I cut the innuendo examples, should note that a few of them were cut on the basis that they "clearly aren't accidental." Except...I really doubt they all were meant to be dirty. The examples in question:
- A squicky example occurs in "Feeling Pinkie Keen" when ponies are running away from hydra, and Spike is seen sitting on Twilight's head right in the place where her horn should be, which is nowhere to be seen, and there's an expression of pain on his face. (Not to mention he's positioned there suspiciously firmly considering they were running uphill at high-speed.)
- Watch "Spike at Your Service" and look carefully at the placement of Spike's hands when he gives Applejack her massage, along with her reaction.
- It only lasts for a few frames, but during the performance at the school Big Mac can be seen staring and sweatingnote at Fluttershy while she's shaking her butt.
Are any of these worth re-adding, or are they not examples due to being either intentional or not innuendo enough? I feel like the latter is clearly not intentional, given there's an actual context noted in the entry for why he's sweating, and can be re-added.
Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 14th 2020 at 11:32:13 AM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Maintenance?
When crosswicking an example for this show, I discovered that some of the examples are "Could Have Avoided This!" Plot are based on Speculative Troping, which is the most common misuse for this trope. Some of these are rather complainy as well.
- "Could Have Avoided This!" Plot:
- In "The Ticket Master", after Twilight receives two tickets to the Grand Galloping Gala, all of her friends (and eventually everyone else in Ponyville) attempt to "convince" her to give them the extra ticket. Twilight eventually sends both tickets back to Princess Celestia, saying that if she can't bring all of her friends, then she doesn't want to go either. Celestia's reply is "Why didn't you just say so in the first place?", after which she sends extra tickets for all of the Mane Cast (and Spike).
- While Spike did try to take steps to prevent a bad outcome, much of "Lesson Zero" could've been avoided had Twilight simply accepted Spike's advice that missing one letter to Celestia wouldn't doom her to Magic Kindergarten. More significantly, Twilight's friends realized that if they had taken Twilight's worries seriously from the start (even if they did think she was blowing things out of proportion) they could've acted to help Twilight and avoid the hilarity that ensued at the episode's end.
- In "Swarm of the Century", after spotting the parasprites for the first time, Pinkie Pie starts scrambling around town for random musical instruments, without telling anyone else why. The rest of the town has been preoccupied with preparing for Celestia's visit, so they chalk it up to Pinkie being Pinkie. Had Twilight or one of the others stopped Pinkie to ask her about the instruments, they could've avoided the town getting overrun by the parasprites. Twilight acknowledges as much at the end of the episode, once Pinkie's led the parasprites out of town. However, as Pinkie could have explained why the parasprites were a looming threat and that that was why she was gathering so many seemingly random musical things, this works both ways.
- In "A Bird in the Hoof", Fluttershy, being a Friend to All Living Things decides (without asking permission) to look after Princess Celestia's "sick" bird. Fluttershy struggles to nurse the bird back to health, but apparently "fails" as the bird seemingly turns to ashes. It then turns out that the bird is actually a phoenix, afterwhich Fluttershy learns that if she had just asked Celestia first, she would have known ahead of time.
- The second Season Finale "A Canterlot Wedding, Part 1" combines this with Aesop Amnesia regarding the previously mentioned "Lesson Zero": if everyone else had just listened to Twilight Sparkle's concerns instead of assuming her outburst was fueled by jealousy, they would have figured out much sooner that "Princess Cadance" was actually Queen Chrysalis, a shapeshifting succubus plotting to feed on Shining Armor's love for the real Cadance and launch a full-scale invasion on Equestria with her army of Changelings, which she very nearly succeeds at doing in Part 2, even overpowering Princess Celestia thanks to her love-induced power-up—but not before rubbing this trope in the faces of Twilight's ashamed friends.
Queen Chrysalis: It's funny, really. Twilight here was suspicious of my behavior all along. Too bad the rest of you were too caught up in your wedding planning to realize the suspicions were correct!
- In the third Season episode "One Bad Apple", the whole situation regarding Babs Seed could've been resolved if Apple Bloom and Scootaloo had just listened to Sweetie Belle and told Applejack about it. Applejack tells them this at the end of the episode. However, Applejack falls into this as well. A lot of Babs' behavior made sense to the Cutie Mark Crusaders once she told them about what Babs had gone through in Manehattan. She did, however, explain she intentionally chose not to say anything to avoid getting Babs singled out over things the kid would rather forget.
- The fifth Season episode "Brotherhooves Social" has Apple Bloom devastated over not being able to participate with Applejack in the Sisterhooves Social. Big Macintosh overhears Granny Smith telling her that that it shouldn't matter who her partner is as long as they both represent the spirit of the social. He dresses in drag and a wig and pretends to be Apple Bloom's cousin "Orchard Blossom" so he can participate with her. After Big Mac is disqualified for unsportsmanlike conduct, the judges point out that his "Orchard Blossom" getup was pointless because there never was a rule barring stallions from the social.
Angry babby
"The Ticket Master," "A Bird in the Hoof," maybe "A Canterlot Wedding Part 2" (though I don't think the Aesop Amnesia thing fits - they're different aesops in different contexts, especially since Twilight's neuroses are a bad thing in "Lesson Zero"), the first half of "One Bad Apple," and "Brotherhooves Social" seem to qualify because the characters explicitly realize in-universe that they could have avoided the plot if they did [insert catalyst for aesop here].
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Regarding the Accidental Innuendo examples, I highly doubt any of those were intentional. If I can be honest for a moment, from my personal experience as a (former) fan, knowing this fandom, a lot of fans try to make the show look way more mature than it really is (kind of like the time there were so many shoehorned Nightmare Fuel examples on the show's NF page). If I'm not mistaken, the Radar page was similarly locked for a long time because people kept reading too much into innocent situations, and subsequently there was a lot of Edit Warring over pretty shaky examples.
So yeah, I think they can be re-added, at the very least. Even then I think they might kind of be stretches. Given that this is a YMMV item, I'd say we should exercise some caution when getting rid of examples, and try giving the benefit of the doubt when possible.
Edited by PacificGreen on Nov 15th 2020 at 10:27:01 AM
I was told to take this proposed entry to UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic here.
- In "The Ending of the End", Discord was revealed to have impersonated Grogar and brought together the villains for Twilight Sparkle to defeat thus teaching her confidence, only for them to become a genuine threat. After being called out for endangering Equestria and redeeming himself by risking his life, Discord's turning the villains to stone, as they have proven so evil and irredeemable their prior punishments were insufficient, was met with approval from all the heroes. But "Grogar" had used implied death threats and their powers to force the villains into adding his plan that was possibly little different than what the villains did independently, the villains actions weren't worse then their previous evildoings, and were never given a chance to redeem themselves as Discord was. This caused many fans to consider Discord's punishing them as unfair given he forced them into a position where they would have been punished just as harshly even if they hadn't proven themself so irredeemable.
I asked about putting a similarly written entry under Unintentionally Sympathetic, but a mod said there was too much Broken Base to say. Someone from cleanup argued even if US was deemed not to apply UU might. I'm skeptical but want to hear it out so this long standing debate can be resolved.
From YMMV.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 9 E 25 The Ending Of The End Part 2:
- Broken Base: Discord being the one to decide the villains' fate (and to perform it himself). Some feel this was a fitting way to make up for his actions seeing it as him using his powers for good to put a stop to evil, fixing the mistake he made by getting rid of the threat, while others feel that he had no right to punish them when he was responsible for all their crimes. There's also the fact that Tirek and Cozy Glow were already serving their sentences, and wouldn't have been in this position at all if he hadn't broken them out.
Is there any reason to give UU it's own entry as opposed to putting it under the BB? Is it fine if they are such separate pages? If BB potentiality disqualifies UU/US there is a lot of cleanup to do.
To clarify, the mod stated that if people were questioning whether an entry belonged, it should be moved to discussion.
Edited by Javertshark13 on Nov 19th 2020 at 6:10:41 AM
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The issue with that is that discussion pages are so glitchy, we, the community, use the forums instead.
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
Here's what started all this: The YMMV page for "The Ending of the End, Part 2" had this lengthy entry arguing for the villains being US:
- Unintentionally Sympathetic:
- Many fans view Cozy Glow as this due to the fact that we never found out her backstory or why she was so evil, and that she's a child who was never offered a chance to seek redemption, either now or during her original banishment to Tartarus in Season 8. The fact that she and Tirek came close to reforming in "Frenemies", and that she looks terrified as the petrification takes effect, makes it worse. It doesn't help that she and Tirek are technically victims of entrapment due to Discord freeing them from Tartarus and tempting them with Grogar's bell so he could make them attack Equestria and give Twilight a confidence boost for defeating them, and, as far as she's concerned, by this point her choices are rather limited: either embrace villainy and take down Equestria or return to her apparently indefinite imprisonment in Tartarus.
- To a much lesser extent than Cozy Glow, some have expressed a small amount of sympathy for Chrysalis and Tirek as well due to their character development throughout the season, and the fact that it was Discord who put them in this situation. In Tirek's particular case, like Cozy, he was already serving his sentence in Tartarus before being forcefully broken out by Discord. While it's generally agreed that he and his co-conspirators are monsters, some argue that turning him into stone instead of sending him back to Tartarus was unnecessary, especially since his crimes weren't really any worse than in season 4, and he stood down when defeated. As for Chrysalis, she lost her mind in exile after her hive turned against her (though that was mostly her own fault) and even seemed to have a degree of genuine respect for her comrades, even saving their lives in "Frenemies", on top of having never attempted any betrayal against them, so her final fate can be seen as a bit saddening to some.
A month ago, Ferot started this ATT thread saying he wanted to condense the entries, which triggered a debate over whether they should be cut entirely. This led to the mod's statement that it should be moved to discussion, but the issue was never resolved because almost nobody showed up on the discussion page. The entry about Discord being UU was then cut for this reason. I think we should first resolve the above entries, and then move on to the UU entry.
With regard to the entries themselves, I think they're too long and the second one seems unnecessary, but I think a case can be made for condensing them into a few lines explaining why some objected to the villains' punishment.
Edited by Javertshark13 on Nov 20th 2020 at 10:16:58 AM
Professor Gigachad
- Unintentionally Sympathetic: Chrysalis, Tirek, and Cozy Glow's actions were supposed to prove them Beyond Redemption with their being Taken for Granite a deserved Fate Worse than Death ensuring they would never threaten anyone again. But Discord, as Grogar, recruited and threatened them into partaking in an identical Evil Plan that was supposed to end with them identically defeated without giving them a chance to redeem themselves as Discord was. Thus several saw the villains fate unfair as they were forced into a position where they would have been punished as harshly even if they haven't willingly and independently committed such evildoing. Not helping is they had brief Pet the Dog moments toward each other suggesting they could have been redeemable if not for no-one attempting to encourage it. Cozy Glow got this extra hard as she was already seen as Unintentionally Sympathetic for her prior evildoing with the issue persisting here, never questioning why the child was so evil and if they had any mitigating backstory along with her having committed fewer acts of evildoing than Tirek and Chrysalis without establishing why it was worse yet is identically punished.
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
I think it's good.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
A mod objected to it, as did the ATT I brought it up, that's the problem. I worry a Unintentionally Unsympathetic would be the same objected to thing just slightly reworded.
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:24:59 AM
The mod said that the entry should be discussed further, and only one person in the ATT thread explicitly argued to cut it. If enough people here are in favor, then I vote for restoring Ferot's entry.
Edited by Javertshark13 on Nov 23rd 2020 at 3:38:42 PM
Having been in the fandom for a very long time, I can definitely help.
I think the Ho Yay with Rainbow Dash and Scootaloo seems a bit creepy. I mean Rainbow Dash was confirmed to be a grown adult as of like S4ish and Scootaloo is about 9. Shouldn't we remove it in that case? You know so we don't have people thinking we endorse pedophilia? And some of the page is really stretching the envelope as stated in the Ho Yay Cleanup. Like even the page image is just an innocent "You don't have to hide your feelings from me" which is basically just Twilight and Rainbow sharing a gaze. If anything RD has more Ship Tease with Applejack and Fluttershy than Twilight as much as I hate to admit it.
Edit: Here's the page in question, HoYay.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic.
Edited by Klavice on Nov 23rd 2020 at 1:32:22 AM
Fair warning: I can get pretty emotional and take things too seriously.
Angry babby
"You don't have to hide your feelings from me" is pretty gay, it's basically JAFAAC. I could find a better image myself in ten seconds flat.
I do remember people making fun of the MLP Ho Yay page offsite for how it would twist things around, though. Specifically an entry about Rainbow Dash wanting to do chores for Daring Do or something was compared to like...sexual submission? Or something dumb like that.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
I asked the mod, and they confirmed they are impartial on the UU/US issue and only objected to it being on ATT as opposed to a cleanup thread. Sorry about the misunderstanding.
With that cleared up I'm taking the UU/US entries to Unintentionally Unsympathetic Cleanup for final approval so this thread can continue with other issues.
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Nov 23rd 2020 at 11:42:33 AM
Back to Ho Yay FIM...
"Sonic Rainboom" opens with Fluttershy recapping "the elements of a good cheer" that Rainbow Dash has been teaching her: "loss of control", "screaming and hollering", and "passion". It's given out of context with no explanation until afterwards, so it kinda sounds like she and Rainbow Dash are talking about... something else.
I don't get how this is The Immodest Orgasm. It's just Rainbow teaching her best friend how to cheer properly. There's no innuendo about it.
Edited by Klavice on Nov 23rd 2020 at 1:37:29 AM
Fair warning: I can get pretty emotional and take things too seriously.
It seems like every other day, we get a bad example (usually on the YMMV pages) brought up on Ask The Tropers or "Is this an example?" from My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic.
Obviously, this work has a massive fandom and can be very contentious at times, so naturally it attracts shoehorns and complaining. We don't seem to have a cleanup for it so to save some space in other cleanups, I say we work on it here.
(Note that I stopped keeping up with the series around season 6 or so...I may catch up at some point, but until then I'll only be able to help with episodes up to that point.)
Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 13th 2020 at 9:40:58 AM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.