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6th of November, 9am Eastern Time update: Decision Desk HQ have called the presidential race for Joe Biden, others networks are expected to follow shortly

Alaska will not be releasing updates until November 10th and North Carolina won't until November 12th or 13th.

7th of November, 11:30am Eastern Time update: All major news networks except Fox News have now also called the presidential race for Joe Biden. 11:45am update: Fox News have now also called the race for Joe Biden.

The mods will be watching this thread closely, so do not post unsourced (this means Twitter) information, inflammatory statements, or respond with "we're all doomed!", that is obviously and clearly damaging the quality of this thread.
Help resources for if you are experiencing difficulties due to the stress of the election can be found via the National Institute of Mental Health[1].

  • States expecting nearly all results tonight: N.H, Vt, Del, Fla, S.C, Ala, Tenn, Ark, Mo, Neb, Okla, Wyo, Mont, Idaho, Ore, Hawaii.
  • States expecting most results tonight: Maine, Mass, R.I, Va, Ga, Mich, Ohio, W. Va, N.C, Wis, Ill, Ind, Ky, Miss, Minn, Iowa, La, N.D, S.D, Kan, Texas, Colo, N.M, Ariz.
  • States expecting only some results tonight: Conn, N.Y, N.J, Md, D.C, Pa, Nev, Utah, Wash, Calif, Alaska.
Last poll closing times for each state, in EST (US Eastern Standard Time, UTC-5):
  • 7pm: Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, South Carolina, Vermont, Virginia.
  • 7:30pm: Ohio, West Virginia.
  • 8pm: Alabama, Connecticut, Delaware, D.C, Florida, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Tennessee.
  • 8:15pm: North Carolina (should have been 7:30, but voting extended due to issues).
  • 8:30pm: Arkansas.
  • 9pm: Arizona, Colorado, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, South Dakota, Texas, Wisconsin, Wyoming.
  • 10pm: Iowa, Montana, Nevada, Utah.
  • 11pm: California, Idaho, Oregon, Washington.
  • Midnight: Hawaii.
  • 1am: Alaska.
Only try and draw understanding from results when a county, district or state has reported results in FULL. Mail-in-ballots can be counted at the beginning, middle or end of the process, so incomplete results will be misleading.
Websites for following results: NBC[2], CNN[3], ABC[4], New York Times[5], Decision Desk HQ[6], NPR[7].

Edited by Silasw on Nov 7th 2020 at 4:44:39 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#5001: Nov 13th 2020 at 2:14:18 PM

I wouldn’t say it’s decency, it’s self-interest, a number of judges have been threatening Trump’s lawyers with loosing their ability to practice law if they don’t get the bullshit.

This is the biggest argument to prosecute in my opinion.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#5002: Nov 13th 2020 at 2:16:48 PM

It's decency in that they didn't lie to the judge's face. They're not corrupt, they're just doing the job they're paid for.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#5003: Nov 13th 2020 at 2:20:41 PM

The job they're doing is to try to steal an election for a monster.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#5004: Nov 13th 2020 at 2:24:46 PM

Trump is entitled to legal representation, but it's also the lawyer's ethical duty to tell their client that the lawsuit is bullcrap.

Continue writing our story of peace.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#5005: Nov 13th 2020 at 2:36:44 PM

A lawyer can refuse unethical civil cases.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#5006: Nov 13th 2020 at 2:47:17 PM

Or run up the legal fees and then effectively say there’s nothing they can do. Everybody wins except Trump.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#5007: Nov 13th 2020 at 3:06:35 PM

All of Biden's lawyers must be having the time of their lives. They've never had it so easy.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#5008: Nov 13th 2020 at 3:19:44 PM

It's decency in that they didn't lie to the judge's face.

You’re assuming that they made the choice not to lie for moral reasons, rather than the practical reason of not wanting to go to jail (which is what happens when you lie to a judge).

I don’t think we know enough about the individual lawyers to say when they made the choice not to lie.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#5009: Nov 13th 2020 at 3:21:39 PM

[up][up] They seem to be focused on making sure not one case gets a judgement in a way that it is possible for it to reach the Supreme Court, I bet thats actually quite hard and stressful to do.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#5010: Nov 13th 2020 at 3:30:34 PM

Trump tried to get every vote thrown out in Pennsylvania.

When that is on the table, these people need to be stopped.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#5011: Nov 13th 2020 at 3:33:33 PM

And by all accounts, it is being stopped. Some cases are being dismissed for lack of evidence, and none of them have ended in Trump's favor.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#5012: Nov 13th 2020 at 4:30:01 PM

I know everyone likes to make the Evil Lawyer Joke, but I find it a bit disingenuous to claim that hundreds of lawyers hired by the Trump campaign were all immoral scumbags.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#5013: Nov 13th 2020 at 4:31:50 PM

[up]It's not about lawyers being inherently evil, more that Trump is a questionable choice of client for a lot of reasons.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 13th 2020 at 9:32:30 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#5014: Nov 13th 2020 at 4:34:54 PM

Trump would have costed them their reputation, any influence and probably their careers. And the promise of a paycheck is really dubious, so tossing him like the trash seemed like the only smart move.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#5015: Nov 13th 2020 at 4:37:21 PM

If you’ll set down that absurd strawman for a moment you’ll see that nobody is claiming that they’ll all immoral scumbags. Just that we have nowhere near enough information to determine their reasoning for not lying to judges.

Though I will note that a willingness to work for proto-fascists does not give a positive indicator of moral character, though that very much depends on who made the choice to accept Trump as a client (and based on the walkout threats we’ve heard about it was very much not the lasers themselves).

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#5016: Nov 13th 2020 at 4:41:35 PM

Lawyer speaking. The argument that client morality doesn't reflect on lawyers is a lot easier to defend when lawyers are acting in a defensive role, especially for indigent clients, when (as here) they are acting in an offensive role for an extremely wealthy client.

More concretely, it's pretty morally questionable as it is to litigate for votes to be thrown out, and in the specific facts here, the legal basis for throwing those out is highly questionable.

And there are ethical standards for lawyers about not advancing pleadings that don't have factual support. And judges can sanction lawyers for doing that kind of thing.

So like if you are submitting an affidavit about illegal voting and the "factual basis" for that affidavit is something Donald Trump saw on The Donald Reddit, there's a pretty strong case that the judge should sanction you, as should the legal ethics organization in the state you practice in.

Edit - And to be clear, besides the risk of not being paid, I think it's likely that the reason why lawyers are withdrawing from litigation is because of the high probable of them receiving Rule 11 sanctions. There's a good article from The Atlantic on how the lawyers representing Trump are walking on thin ice with Rule 11 and other lawyer ethical or pleading standards.

Edited by Hodor2 on Nov 13th 2020 at 6:44:55 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#5017: Nov 13th 2020 at 4:43:54 PM

Thanks for clearing that up, Hodor.

Also <points> GRITTY! grin

Edited by Redmess on Nov 13th 2020 at 1:44:58 PM

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#5019: Nov 13th 2020 at 5:51:23 PM

AP has called CA-39 - Democrat Gil Cisneros has lost, putting Democrat losses at 9 right now, with a couple more probably to be called soon.

clemont107 Lida from Kalos (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Lida
#5020: Nov 13th 2020 at 6:36:46 PM

With Trump gone, I hope for the next two years that with him out of people's minds voters will warm up to Biden and vote blue during the midterms. The amount of losses in the House is because people were able to normalize Trump's behavior and vote for candidates who supported him. If Biden's behavior sets the new norm, we will see better gains in the House and Senate in 2022.

Edited by clemont107 on Nov 13th 2020 at 9:37:05 AM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#5021: Nov 13th 2020 at 6:42:52 PM

[up]That can work, unlike people belive the endure of trump voter also is because trump engage and feed that craziness, is posible thing die down a bit into some sense of regularity.

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minseok42 A Self-inflicted Disaster from A Six-Tatami Room (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
A Self-inflicted Disaster
#5022: Nov 13th 2020 at 10:19:59 PM

Leaders of the Republican majorites in state legislatures such as PA, MI, AZ, GA, said they are not going to pick their own electors to re-elect Trump. It just shows what kind of times we are living in when things that should be obvious makes the news.

Edited by minseok42 on Nov 14th 2020 at 9:35:40 PM

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
#5023: Nov 14th 2020 at 4:34:17 AM

Well, minseo, as we sadly know these days, Common Sense isn't.

Semper Fi. Semper Paratus. Vigilo Confido.
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#5024: Nov 14th 2020 at 5:57:47 AM

I hears the results are in for all states now, and Biden has officially won.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
PointMaid Since: Jun, 2014
#5025: Nov 14th 2020 at 6:02:48 AM

Isn't Georgia still doing a hand recount?

Not that it's either likely to change the outcome given his lead, or that Biden needs it (he could lose Georgia and still win, with the outcome in the other states).


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