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HeavyMetalHermitCrab Since: Sep, 2018
#2076: Jul 23rd 2021 at 4:43:30 AM

I think the most damning thing about this particular incident is that it wasn't only a "stealth launch", it was taking a draft that was already discarded, restoring it, and launching it immediately despite having a vast negative bomb count and a consensus that it wasn't fixable without being redone from the ground up. And then crosswicking it as though that's somehow going to stop it from being unlaunched.

I don't think that's a misunderstanding of the rules as they're trying to claim. If there's a more definitive TLP equivalent of "Fuck all of you," I don't know what it is.

Maybe it was technically a "stealth launch" but this specific set of circumstances makes this actually seem worse than a rogue launch. It has the appearance of knowingly and willingly breaking the rules.

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Lost in Space
#2077: Jul 23rd 2021 at 4:47:37 AM

We've already locked the discarded draft. This conversation is becoming a little popcorn-like and should cool down.

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#2078: Jul 23rd 2021 at 6:53:21 AM

Since there isn't a dedicated place to ask this, I'll ask here.

Today's featured trope is Silver Fox, and I just learned today is apparently "Gorgeous Grandma Day". Was that intentional? If so, very funny grin

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Kevjro7 Susjection! Since: Jan, 2020
Susjection!
#2079: Jul 23rd 2021 at 6:55:25 AM

Despite what you said, I'm looking at the discarded drafts list right now and still see the restore option. Is the restore option visible to anyone else?

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#2081: Jul 23rd 2021 at 10:50:13 AM

It's locked on my end...

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wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
mys. minty from the silly dimension
#2082: Jul 23rd 2021 at 11:15:03 AM

It's locked for us now, but it wasn't when we checked earlier. One imagines the mods got to it late or something.

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
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The Moron
#2083: Jul 23rd 2021 at 11:21:48 AM

Same here - it wasn’t locked before, but now it is

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#2084: Jul 23rd 2021 at 9:51:15 PM

Today's featured trope is Silver Fox, and I just learned today is apparently "Gorgeous Grandma Day". Was that intentional? If so, very funny

Yes, it was. Most of the featured tropes I've queued up have had that sort of relationship to obscure holidays.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
AmourMitts Since: Jan, 2016
#2086: Jul 24th 2021 at 10:51:22 PM

I'm very, very sorry for all the trouble I've caused in the Forum Games section. But even if you ever lift the ban, I promise never to break any more rules there.

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Disasturbator
#2087: Jul 25th 2021 at 4:02:57 AM

Um,I'm not sure your actually banned from there?

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SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2088: Jul 25th 2021 at 5:20:23 AM

They are actually banned from there, yes. Mostly for partaking in forum games without following the rules of the thread you were partaking in.

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AmourMitts Since: Jan, 2016
#2089: Jul 25th 2021 at 1:42:17 PM

[up] Yes, I do apologize for not following the rules of certain Forum Games threads. Guess I won't return there even if you lift my ban.

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#2090: Jul 26th 2021 at 12:24:02 AM

I've been thinking about the understaffing problem, rereading some posts (mainly pages 75 and 76), and have some things to say. The admins are communicating very little with the users, so I have little choice but to try to piece together what's going on.

As You Know, it seems to be generally agreed here that TV Tropes is understaffed, and that too much work is poured onto too few of the users. Instead of throwing more mods at the problem, a better, more long-term approach would be to ease the workload. Make the systems more streamlined and just take a look at the wishlist for inspiration, so work can be done more efficiently.

Only the admins can work on TV Tropes and fix these systems. But we don't see much of what they do. Supposedly, the website hasn't been updated since 2019 yet we've gotten some improvements and bug fixes since then, announced informally by forum mods. I checked the recent edits and forum posts of the eight admins but most aren't visibly active on TV Tropes. (if I recall correctly, all but one haven't posted or edited since 2019, if at all.) We don't know the plans of the staff, which makes it hard for users to understand where the website is going, or how to plan for wiki development. And That's Terrible.

We need to consider why the admins are being silent. All of the admins are employees of Proper Media, who have limited resources to allocate to TV Tropes. But it doesn't explain why they don't even take a few hours out of a month or a year to try and communicate with users. I imagine It would benefit them as a business to communicate with customers, but for some reason they just aren't doing that.

My guess is that this is either an organization or a policy issue within the company. It seems the only way to reliably get info about admins here is to ask the mods. If a line of communication can be opened, I hope we will get more info on the lack of communication and the planned future of TV Tropes. In addition, I and many other users have ideas for improving TV Tropes, and it would be excellent to know that we're being heard.

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#2091: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:21:42 AM

[up] Seriously offtopic, but the Proper website for me is completely broken.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2092: Jul 26th 2021 at 6:04:09 AM

Okay, I'm not sure if moderators are able to talk about this, but I'll go ahead and make a brief, unofficial statement to clarify things.

TV Tropes is owned, under the brand Tropes, Inc., by the same people who owned Proper Media, which is an advertising platform. Proper Media was recently acquired by another firm, but TV Tropes was not part of that deal and remains with the current owners.

There is going to be some delay as they go through all the paperwork to finalize the deal, but we are promised more attention devoted to this site once that's over.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#2093: Jul 26th 2021 at 6:27:21 AM

we are promised more attention devoted to this site once that's over.

Assuming they're being truthful, fantastic news!

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Word Up
#2095: Jul 26th 2021 at 8:45:40 AM

Oh, that makes sense.

I love that the company is called "Tropes, Inc." They missed the opportunity to use Trope Co., though! tongue

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#2096: Jul 27th 2021 at 9:02:29 AM

I'm assuming that after that's settled, the admins will have more time to work on the engineer system if that'll fix the previously mentioned understaffing issue.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 27th 2021 at 11:02:56 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
SilverCrown (Private) Relationship Status: Singularity
#2097: Jul 27th 2021 at 9:13:35 AM

[up] Oh yeah, I forgot about the engineer thing. I don't mean to poke you, mods, but how is it going so far, and have the admins given any other updates?

PhysicalStamina ain't nothin' but a party y'all (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
ain't nothin' but a party y'all
#2098: Jul 30th 2021 at 2:57:39 AM

I wish I had known about this thread earlier.

I'd like to know what possible reason there is for this post getting thumped.

For context, we were discussing Sia's horrid ableist movie Music and a poster suggested she "stick to songs". I replied saying that her voice was awful and that she should perhaps just publish terrible books from here on in. No reason was given for the thump.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Jul 30th 2021 at 5:58:58 AM

Do not spare the feelings of those who would not spare yours.
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#2099: Jul 30th 2021 at 3:13:13 AM

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it is because it is a personal attack on the creator, rather than criticism of their work, and we have been having problems with that sort of behaviour in the past, especially where Youtubers and Twitter are involved.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
PhysicalStamina ain't nothin' but a party y'all (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
ain't nothin' but a party y'all
#2100: Jul 30th 2021 at 3:31:25 AM

...seriously? I only criticized her voice, not her character, and the post directly above calls her a hack. Another post indirectly called her childish. How are thsose not personal attacks yet "Sia can't sing" is?

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Jul 30th 2021 at 6:32:15 AM

Do not spare the feelings of those who would not spare yours.

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