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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1401: May 18th 2021 at 12:30:30 AM

Mods have mentioned before that there shouldn’t be ANY conversation in Edit reasons, even things like reminders to go to Discussion.

Eh? I do put warnings to take things to discussion rather than edit warring all the time.

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#1402: May 18th 2021 at 6:36:12 AM

Umh I've never heard of that. I've seen many people including mods like septimus do it too.

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#1403: May 18th 2021 at 6:50:23 AM

Hmm, I could have sworn there was an ATT query recently that touched on that subject, and I thought a mod said something along those lines.

But perhaps I’m misremembering it, because now I can’t find it.

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#1404: May 18th 2021 at 7:33:47 AM

It is forbidden to carry on a discussion about an edit in the edit reasons - such discussion should go to the discussion pages or the forum. But AFAIK, it's allowed to put in a reminder that the example should be discussed elsewhere. The purpose of such a comment is to prevent further discussion in the edit reasons, and to prevent an edit war.

Edited by GnomeTitan on May 18th 2021 at 4:34:53 PM

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#1405: May 18th 2021 at 7:51:55 AM

The purpose of edit reasons is to communicate. Obviously. If there is a need to have an extended conversation, the edit reason should direct people to a Discussion page, forum thread, or Ask The Tropers.

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#1406: May 18th 2021 at 9:24:25 AM

[up][up] I think that is perfectly reasonable, yes.

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Kevjro7 Susjection! Since: Jan, 2020
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#1407: May 18th 2021 at 3:20:48 PM

Since I got no response, I will ask about this once again.

I decided to TLP an index for tropes that were created from Trope Repair Shop projects, like Crazy Is Cool, Disco Sucks, and Endearingly Dorky. There was discussion over whether this index belongs in Main or Administrivia. It was suggested that a moderator should chime in and that this thread should be used to ask which namespace they think this index belongs in.

Also, I hope you don't mind me expressing sympathy for a banned troper. Even if it was for the sake of his mental health, it's a shame that A Guy had to be banned. He made really good points. Ah well.

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#1408: May 18th 2021 at 5:12:09 PM

We haven't discussed it internally. I, personally, don't see the point at all. The index won't help our audience understand the trope better. As a "history of the wiki" thing, I guess it would be Administrivia/, but I don't see much point in collecting that information in one place, anyway. At best, it can be used to show that TRS actually does get things done and isn't always for cutting articles, but I doubt that evidence would actually convince people with that opinion anyway.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
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#1409: May 18th 2021 at 5:39:38 PM

I mean, the same argument could be said for Renamed Tropes if you put it that way. I think the index is useful enough even if it is mostly just a historical record.

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Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#1410: May 18th 2021 at 9:56:25 PM

Okay, quick question since this was on my head.

Saying something like "stop or I'll tell the mods" against the rules?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1411: May 18th 2021 at 11:59:13 PM

In my opinion, yes (the exact formulation "stop or I'll tell the mods"). It's basically a threat. And you have no guarantee that the moderator will agree with you, anyway.

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#1412: May 19th 2021 at 12:06:14 AM

I feel like it should be just because of the way it treats the moderators like some weird ‘other’ you tattle on people to.

The mods aren’t a threat you use to get others to do what you want, if people are breaking the rules then holler the mobs, if people are getting close then say “I think this is getting close to breaking the rules, let’s take a step back before the mods have to get involved”, using the mods as a threat contributes to the idea that they’re some kind oppressive force rather than fools the Admins tricked into trying to herd this circus, tongue volunteers from the community doing their best to help manage the community.

Edited by Silasw on May 19th 2021 at 8:07:13 PM

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#1413: May 19th 2021 at 4:30:06 AM

yeah,don't backseat moderate,

but sometimes you have to politely tell people to knock it off though,key is politely

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Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#1414: May 19th 2021 at 6:46:00 AM

Okay. That's what I figured, but wanted to double check.

Thanks.

OdysseusOfGaming Since: Mar, 2021
#1415: May 19th 2021 at 10:43:26 AM

I would just like to point out that Fighteer is once more at the Jim Sterling thread, provoking people and starting fights and generally acting in ways that any other troper would have already been both thumped and suspended from the thread for. People in the thread itself have gotten tired of Fighteer doing this and would like the thread to go back to normal.

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1416: May 19th 2021 at 11:02:15 AM

His presence in the thread since the last video is pretty much purely a litany of insulting strawmans. He seems to be under impression that anybody anti-capitalist is a full-out tankie and is free game to bash.

Edited by Adannor on May 19th 2021 at 9:03:05 PM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#1417: May 19th 2021 at 11:03:47 AM

And his behavior on that thread was brought up less than two days ago and just sort of feel by the wayside without official word of any kind.

Edited by sgamer82 on May 19th 2021 at 11:04:07 AM

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Disasturbator
#1418: May 19th 2021 at 11:04:16 AM

For the record he has agreed to retire from the thread until the next video is posted

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#1419: May 19th 2021 at 11:04:20 AM

It's interesting how the difference between "dogpiled for an unpopular opinion" and "disrupting a conversation" is which side the various participants are on.

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OdysseusOfGaming Since: Mar, 2021
#1420: May 19th 2021 at 11:05:10 AM

[up][up]After considerable pushback to his behavior, but yes. He has said he'll retire from the thread until the next Jimquisition video, i.e. until next monday.

[up]You managed to anger an entire thread thrice, Fighteer. This is hardly a matter of simple opinion.

Edited by OdysseusOfGaming on May 19th 2021 at 3:06:14 PM

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#1421: May 19th 2021 at 11:08:42 AM

And this hasn't exactly been an isolated incident, though at least this time Fighteer didn't try to use his Mod status to shut down all dissent.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#1422: May 19th 2021 at 11:10:30 AM

[up][up]Oh, I'm quite aware, but the supposedly offensive posts I made kicking off this dogpiling were not personal attacks. I just reviewed them. They offended people because they were contrary to their beliefs, and we never promised anyone a space free of criticism or contrary views. The Jim Sterling thread is not the Anti-Capitalism Clubhouse. Go make one over in Troper Covens if you want. I promise I will never touch it.

Edited by Fighteer on May 19th 2021 at 2:10:47 PM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#1423: May 19th 2021 at 11:10:56 AM

For the record he has agreed to retire from the thread until the next video is posted
I'm not sure this really addresses the issue so much as kick the can down the road and promise more of the same next video.
[up] Does the initial post being inoffensive excuse responses like "Make a list of all social and political groups that nobody on TV Tropes is allowed to call out for errors, fallacies, or stupidity. We'll enshrine it in the forum rules." or "Oh, so my criticism is unwelcome because it's unpopular, not because it's wrong. Good to know. I'm writing down that list of rules as we speak."
[down]I don't even really know who Jim Sterling is, to be honest. I keep mixing him up with Rod Serling. My issue is this has apparently occurred twice in as many days.

Edited by sgamer82 on May 19th 2021 at 11:14:54 AM

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Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#1424: May 19th 2021 at 11:13:10 AM

This is getting heated and ugly, and I am both neutral and not involved in this debate.

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#1425: May 19th 2021 at 11:13:46 AM

[up]Then why comment on it?

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