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GnomeTitan Oversized Garden Ornament Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Oversized Garden Ornament
#951: Mar 5th 2021 at 8:43:08 AM

[up][up]What you're describing there would be even worse: moving the actual wiki content off-site. If we do that, then the entire site would just become a link farm. (And I think you mean "unilaterally", not "unanimously").

The proposal that was shot down in the discussion linked to above was about moving a sandbox off-site. That's not nearly as bad, since it wouldn't affect ordinary readers of the wiki, but just the people working on the sandbox, but I can understand why it was nixed. It would not just move the sandbox, but the discussion offsite, out of sight of the moderators and the rest of the community.

Edited by GnomeTitan on Mar 5th 2021 at 5:43:43 PM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#952: Mar 5th 2021 at 9:04:37 AM

Working documents (drafts, sandboxes, etc.) can be kept wherever - we don't care. The one exception would be sandboxes that moderators are asked to swap into regular pages. Discussion should be on-site and of course so should the finished product.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 5th 2021 at 12:05:43 PM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
GnomeTitan Oversized Garden Ornament Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Oversized Garden Ornament
#953: Mar 5th 2021 at 9:37:18 AM

[up]The way I understood the argument against the proposed move off-site was indeed that it would move the discussion off-site, and not just the sandbox, but I may have misunderstood.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#954: Mar 5th 2021 at 10:30:14 AM

My proposition was only for the sandbox to move offsite, fwiw.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#955: Mar 5th 2021 at 10:33:43 AM

Right, my problem is more about the topic itself, which is why I came in to nix the idea. I wouldn't care if, for example, you and DivineFlame100 decided that you were going to use a cloud-based shared Microsoft Word file to discuss updates/changes on VideoGame.Kart Fighter, and five days or five weeks later just dropped all the changes into the article. That wouldn't matter and doesn't affect the site in an ongoing manner. It especially doesn't affect the edits of other users across the entire website. Go nuts on that sort of off-site draft, but don't expect us to resolve any disputes that arise between the two of you based on that.

A potential off-site editing dispute based on reverting the edits of other users? I don't believe it to be probable, but I don't want it to even be a possible thing.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
DivineFlame100 Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#956: Mar 5th 2021 at 10:52:48 AM

[up]Don't know what that has to do with me but, ok, I get your point.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#957: Mar 5th 2021 at 11:56:40 AM

I was responding to Gnome and you were the last poster in this thread that wasn't a moderator. I was just using it for convivence, not because I think either of you have an interest in a work that I found by clicking Random Media. It was just the easiest way to pick a random name.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#958: Mar 5th 2021 at 8:05:31 PM

Hey, mods, Bean Wiggin is sort of having a melt-down on ATT right now because of a TLP draft I called them out for being a dick on. The draft is here, the thread is here.

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 5th 2021 at 11:14:07 AM

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#959: Mar 5th 2021 at 8:08:35 PM

And an additional “thread” they made presumably just to be a dick is here.

Edit: I'm pretty sure they just confessed to being a ban evader

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Mar 5th 2021 at 11:21:42 AM

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#960: Mar 5th 2021 at 8:18:19 PM

Also worth noting that on top of being a trolling little worm, they suicide-baited Jay on the draft before editing their comment. I think that's kind of a big rule breaker.

[down] And they're a ban evader too (Nep permabanned on 2/26, Bean editing around 2/28). (Which, TBH, I kind of suspected early on.)

Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 5th 2021 at 11:32:29 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#961: Mar 5th 2021 at 8:22:22 PM

Aaaaaand they've just outed themselves as being Nepworks.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#962: Mar 5th 2021 at 8:40:21 PM

For the record, they did appeal the ban from this thread and were released.

The last thing given was a stern warning. They are not ban-evading. Doesn't change the other issues, of course. Many do try to start a new username to try and start off anew. But the problems still arose either way, so it didn't help.

Shadow?
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#963: Mar 5th 2021 at 8:41:04 PM

[up] Like I said on PM, they very well might be. There was no indication whether or not the mods banned Nep after their melt-down.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#964: Mar 5th 2021 at 8:42:56 PM

Ohhhh, I forgot they just forced themself to log out instead of getting properly banned the second time.

But given that public suicide threats are a massive no-no, I highly doubt they weren't also banned for their later behavior. But I'm no mod.

Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 5th 2021 at 11:43:22 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#965: Mar 5th 2021 at 8:43:55 PM

Yeah, ATT spoke on them being banned at another point again.

I couldn't find the details publicly.

Thanks for the replies.

Shadow?
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#966: Mar 5th 2021 at 9:15:15 PM

Can we get a lock or removal on this trash too?

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
DivineFlame100 Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#967: Mar 5th 2021 at 9:16:31 PM

What did I just come back to?

Kevjro7 Susjection! Since: Jan, 2020
Sirena sold my car for candy from Germany Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
sold my car for candy
#969: Mar 5th 2021 at 11:03:04 PM

[up]Sorry about that... but could Tropers.Bean Wiggin be cut or blanked? Its contents are undignified self-humiliation.

[down]Ah, good, if it doesn't get cut it would be good to blank it.

Edited by Sirena on Mar 5th 2021 at 8:14:22 PM

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#970: Mar 5th 2021 at 11:04:03 PM

[up]I cutlisted it when I thought they were a ban evader (it's still ambiguous if they were). Hasn't been processed yet.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#971: Mar 6th 2021 at 12:07:30 AM

Slept through almost everything, though I don't think self-humiliation should be a reason to cut someone's troper page (but being a ban evader is). I know that I started to not give much of a shit about my own dignity about three years ago.

Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#972: Mar 6th 2021 at 12:10:25 AM

[up] ...C'mon, Piter. Really? What's the benefit in keeping a page that, at best, just serves to humiliate the person who wrote it, and at worst is outright calling someone nasty things? In fact this feels to me like a much better cut reason than the fact that Bean might have been ban evading.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#973: Mar 6th 2021 at 12:18:11 AM

Admittedly, there's no real benefit. Self-Deprecation these days is trendy (just look up "I'm a piece of garbage"), and not everyone has the highest self-esteem, so I kinda think that self-humiliation is up to the person, but you have a point there.

Edited by Piterpicher on Mar 6th 2021 at 9:19:22 PM

Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#974: Mar 6th 2021 at 12:19:46 AM

...Did you read the ATT thread? Because I'm pretty sure they were legitimately serious. It's not Self-Deprecation, it's genuinely unhealthy.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#975: Mar 6th 2021 at 12:24:16 AM

Yeah, after reading it more clearly, I agree. There is a healthy level at Self-Deprecation, but that was too far.

Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)

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