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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#8976: Sep 11th 2023 at 9:43:23 AM

I’m sorry but it seems that you have an admin who flew off the handle, abused his power and honestly, Drew?

Saying “well he doesn’t seem like a transphobe!” When his own profile is beamoning the marginalizing of JK Rowling for her transphobia? When the user unequivocally lied to you, as has been uncovered? Why are you speaking over a transgender moderator on this?

Tv Tropes is facing risk of “the site that allows bigotry where once it was zero tolerance” and your chosen representative is a thin skinned loose cannon who had a freak out on any critique. If you want to keep Kory, let him stick to programming. He should have no power.

You, meanwhile, have without explanation destroyed the trust between authority and user base and that is genuinely a tragedy.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#8977: Sep 11th 2023 at 9:46:07 AM

Just to be clear, no one was banned from this thread, it was just a three day suspension that was lifted today.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#8978: Sep 11th 2023 at 9:47:29 AM

Which took how long to say after Kory was throwing around threats and shouting how none of it was his fault?

Someone with this short fuse and who is incapable of anything beyond a token apology shouldn’t be in charge

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#8979: Sep 11th 2023 at 9:47:43 AM

[up][up] Still bad to punish people for daring to criticize an admin

Edited by Agentofchaos on Sep 11th 2023 at 12:47:57 PM

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Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#8980: Sep 11th 2023 at 9:48:30 AM

Just to be clear, no one was banned from this thread, it was just a three day suspension that was lifted today.

Suspensions aren't even supposed to work like this on TVT. There's no set time limit for almost all of them; if you're suspended, you go to the suspension thread and you plead your case there. The suspension thread works on a case-by-case process.

In this case there was no chance to do that because the suspensions were handed out. Why? Kory wanted to throw his weight around.

This is further proof that Kory has neither the experience nor the temperament to be anywhere close to an effective mod.

Edited by Scraggle on Sep 11th 2023 at 10:51:38 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#8981: Sep 11th 2023 at 9:50:37 AM

[up][up][up] Pretty much right away, actually, from what I saw in the Edit Banned thread.

[up][up] I totally agree, but lets not let hyperbole detract from genuine criticism. People were temporarily suspended, not banned.

[up] Are they? I thought I've seen such suspensions before. Suspensions on TV Tropes are generally used for anything from "I just want to have a talk with you about this" to "go and cool down for this amount of time and don't do it again".

Edited by Redmess on Sep 11th 2023 at 6:53:05 PM

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#8982: Sep 11th 2023 at 9:51:41 AM

And it is frankly troubling for Drew to be telling us that someone who straight up lies in his supposed apology “well he seems sincere, so please don’t call him a bigot.”

Here’s what we want, plain and simple: Kory does not moderate. He has neither the expertise, nor the temperament for it. And he proved that. How many edits did the users he was suspending and threatening have?

He was screaming “anyone else posts then I’m locking the thread and it’ll be your fault.” Why? Because people expressed how he made them unsafe. Way I see it is you have a chance to fix this and repair trust. Or you don’t anr you don’t realize the horrible damage you’ve done.

Kory isn’t even making a public apology because he’s shown he can’t even do that. We’ve seen what happens: when his apology isn’t accepted immediately l, he grows petulant and lashes out with consequences. He needs to be stripped of all authority here and made to only work on tech. That’s how you fix things with the community.

Edited by Lightysnake on Sep 11th 2023 at 9:53:45 AM

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#8983: Sep 11th 2023 at 9:53:10 AM

[up][up] Literally why does that distinction matter? If anything that's more of a red flag because suspensions are specifically not supposed to work that way. You get suspended for a reason, you discuss that reason with mods, and then you're released when the mods decide the reason won't be a problem. You don't get temp suspended because that's not the point of suspension unless you're going for pure punishment, which is exactly what was happening here.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#8984: Sep 11th 2023 at 9:54:35 AM

It is genuinely fascinating. The fractious TVT community is, from what I've seen, more or less universally in agreement that we do not want Kory as a moderator.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#8986: Sep 11th 2023 at 9:56:20 AM

I agree that Kory should refrain from moderation (he is an admin, not a mod, after all). I think a much better role for him on this thread would be arbitration between users and mods, while leaving actual moderating to the mods.

If an admin needs to step in to moderate a post, that should be indicative of a serious problem with the mod team, implying that the mods are not dong their job properly. I don't think admins should let themselves get in that position unless it is absolutely necessary.

[up][up][up] Actually, we do have temp suspensions. They are apparently common enough on OTC, for one.

Edited by Redmess on Sep 11th 2023 at 6:57:26 PM

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ultimate_life_form Since: Aug, 2019
#8987: Sep 11th 2023 at 9:56:27 AM

Yeah, after this entire mess? If you want an admin to do moderation, then have it be one that isn't him.

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#8988: Sep 11th 2023 at 9:56:54 AM

Why is Drew brought up? His handle is drewski, DevKlay is one of the developers.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#8989: Sep 11th 2023 at 9:57:03 AM

While I am usually forgiving, more and more evidence suggests to me that Kory is not a good mod.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#8990: Sep 11th 2023 at 9:58:18 AM

[up][up] Correct, I think someone misread.

[up] I would go farther and say that he has overstepped as admin and mixed roles that really shouldn't be mixed.

Edited by Redmess on Sep 11th 2023 at 6:59:15 PM

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#8991: Sep 11th 2023 at 9:58:58 AM

Can we just agree that the angrily suspending everyone was an abuse of power and stop the nitpicking?[

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#8992: Sep 11th 2023 at 10:00:03 AM

Yes, lets move on from that one.

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Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#8993: Sep 11th 2023 at 10:00:10 AM

Kory was untested as a mod and when his first test came he utterly failed. I do not trust him to moderate and frankly Klay's response to all this is making me question their ability as well

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#8994: Sep 11th 2023 at 10:04:59 AM

Remember everyone. On TV Tropes now? You can be a blatant bigot but if you lie well enough to the admins you won’t be punished if you’ve contributed enough edits. Even if the administration finds out there was a lie, they’ll still cover for the user and tell the user base to not call them a bigot.

What a great slogan. “We welcome bigots as long as they’re quiet enough about it.”

Edited by Lightysnake on Sep 11th 2023 at 10:05:28 AM

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#8995: Sep 11th 2023 at 10:05:42 AM

Replying to what Mighty Mewtron said as someone who vaguely remembers that time (I have been using it for 13 years on and off), the site was a legitimately toxic environment at the time, and it is something we don't want to return.

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#8996: Sep 11th 2023 at 10:06:10 AM

Kory doesn’t make choices like this. It’s not his decision to tell the users that if there is a serious issue, then bring it to him. That’s his job and it’s what he was told to do. Please refrain from bashing an administrators name for doing his job.
Speaking of suspensions, then was this thread being locked and the mass suspensions not a result of Kory's ego being bruised, but rather that he was ordered to go on a Xi Jinping-esque crackdown of criticism of the admins?

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Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#8997: Sep 11th 2023 at 10:06:21 AM

I'm re-emphasising the community's demands (in Lighty's aforementioned words): Kory needs to be stripped of all authority here and made to only work on tech.

This is the only way I can see you beginning to mend things with the community.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#8998: Sep 11th 2023 at 10:06:53 AM

Kory didn’t even communicate this. He was rude and dismissive of concerns, demanded any concerns come to him and told people to shut up about any concerns.

Pick a new point man, admins. One who isn’t a thin skinned bully

Edited by Lightysnake on Sep 11th 2023 at 10:08:08 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#8999: Sep 11th 2023 at 10:08:04 AM

Lets leave the comparisons to dictators and billionaires out of the discussion, shall we?

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#9000: Sep 11th 2023 at 10:09:53 AM

So here’s a test for the admins. You wanna know it mods are abusing their power? Here’s where an admin is.

Now do something about it or prove yourselves nothing but empty talk.

Edited by Lightysnake on Sep 11th 2023 at 10:10:06 AM


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