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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#5026: Oct 28th 2022 at 9:41:22 AM

> I'm not expecting to change your minds, but I will say you could have at least given some warning and maybe linked the reddit or something so people could choose to migrate or not

I doubt there's a need for migration,users who post about Sinfest on tv tropes and only sinfest probably also post on reddit about how much they hate Tat's work

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#5027: Oct 28th 2022 at 9:43:50 AM

I'm not expecting to change your minds, but I will say you could have at least given some warning and maybe linked the reddit or something so people could choose to migrate or not

That's called drama importation. It's against site rules for any troper, let alone a moderator.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#5028: Oct 28th 2022 at 9:45:17 AM

Yeah, if you're only here to complain about Sinfest and nothing else, I don't think you have anything to complain about here. TV Tropes is under no obligation to provide a platform for complaining about works, nor is it obligated to help you out should we decide we don't want a particular thread any more by pointing you to another site.

[up] I'm not sure if it is drama importation, strictly speaking, though you could make a case that it is drama exportation instead. I think there's already a strong enough case that we don't need to do such a thing in the first place, though.

Edited by Redmess on Oct 28th 2022 at 6:46:38 PM

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#5029: Oct 28th 2022 at 9:46:10 AM

We don't care if the page counts as advertisement/association or not, nor do the images contain hate material. The thread was not banned because the work is "consistently unpleasant". The current issue was the concern of the healthy tone of the thread. These are not related.

What warning do you propose for a heads-up that the thread would be closed, instead of saying it's closed right away?

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NeedsAirCon from Access Denied....Human Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#5030: Oct 28th 2022 at 9:46:20 AM

Out of interest Redmess, why do you keep using the word "we"?

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#5031: Oct 28th 2022 at 9:48:37 AM

Because I'm referring to the site, not just myself.

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NeedsAirCon from Access Denied....Human Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#5032: Oct 28th 2022 at 9:49:49 AM

Honestly,

A couple of days notice would have been fair

Lets face facts here, if Tvtropes moderators want the forum shut down because it doesn't fit in with the tone of T Vtropes then they've got a very valid point

In defense of the (few) forumities there it's kinds of hard to defend Sinfest. I know I would feel dishonest if I tried to

Edit: - Please don't do that Redmess, I almost thought you were a moderator

Edited by NeedsAirCon on Oct 28th 2022 at 4:50:37 PM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#5033: Oct 28th 2022 at 9:50:59 AM

Its not a forum,it's one thread in a forum full of threads nowhere as negative

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#5034: Oct 28th 2022 at 9:51:05 AM

Why do you feel the thread needed forewarning? They don't do that for other threads.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#5035: Oct 28th 2022 at 9:53:25 AM

I think if the mods had said "STOP BEING NEGATIVE!" users would struggle to find anything to post,unless they could only talk about when Sinfest was good.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#5036: Oct 28th 2022 at 9:53:48 AM

What would the warning have gained, given the closure was likely going to happen no matter what?

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 28th 2022 at 9:54:12 AM

NeedsAirCon from Access Denied....Human Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#5037: Oct 28th 2022 at 9:56:57 AM

"Its not a forum,it's one thread in a forum full of threads nowhere as negative"

Well, I've defended the honor of the thread as best as I can.

But this is the key point. The thread is negative, mostly because the source material is so horrible (and getting worse) that people can't bring themselves to defend the author

I disagree on killing/locking it without any warning, partly since in essence it feels like a win for the author, but it's not my decision and quite frankly, there are other forums out there

So I'll bid you all farewell and thank you for your time

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#5038: Oct 28th 2022 at 9:58:48 AM

Is it really a win for the author when their desires weren't even a factor in the decision?

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 28th 2022 at 9:59:01 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#5039: Oct 28th 2022 at 10:00:26 AM

Respectfully, NAC, surely you have other media you enjoy enough to edit or discuss at least occasionally.

For example, I'm thinking of editing some Die Hard pages when I get the chance, seeing as the first instalment is my favourite movie and I look forward to seeing it again.

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#5040: Oct 28th 2022 at 10:03:56 AM

Seeing their activity, I can assume not, but I guess it doesn't matter now and the question is resolved.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#5041: Oct 28th 2022 at 10:06:22 AM

I'm pretty sure the wishes of the author played absolutely no part in the decision. I also don't think the mods would care or listen if the authordid ask to keep the thread open.

Also, are you seriously leaving over one thread closing? We have plenty of other interesting things to talk about, you know.

[up] Good gods, it is 30 pages of literally nothing else but posts in that one thread going back all the way to 2018. Talk about a single-minded forum goer...

Edited by Redmess on Oct 28th 2022 at 7:10:42 PM

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NeedsAirCon from Access Denied....Human Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#5042: Oct 28th 2022 at 10:06:33 AM

If you were in my position having experienced Sinfest and Tatsuya Ishida, then yes, you would see it as a win for him

There's been at least one occasion where he's taken a potshot at me in his twitter account for a comment I made on the thread

He really doesn't like threads and/or forums where he's not the dictator :)

Edit: - Hey, I do the T Vtropes random walk on a regular basis

Well, yeah, I'm not going to comment on other forum threads. If I comment on other author's works, I use their webpage, their discord or reddit

T Vtropes doesn't do stuff like pictures to get your point across and the type setting is a bit of a pain in the bum. It really could do with a bit of a modernisation

Edited by NeedsAirCon on Oct 28th 2022 at 5:15:05 PM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#5043: Oct 28th 2022 at 10:11:52 AM

> [up] Good gods, it is 30 pages of literally nothing else but posts in that one thread going back all the way to 2018. Talk about a single-minded forum goer...

Now now,they've got an opptunity to post in other topics!

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#5044: Oct 28th 2022 at 10:12:43 AM

Being honest, I can't help but think that the fact the thread's locking has only really sparked serious pushback from a single person whose sole activity on this site seems to have exclusively been the thread and has what sounds like a personal beef with the author on top of that is making the case for keeping the lock as much as anything.

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 28th 2022 at 10:13:31 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#5045: Oct 28th 2022 at 10:12:47 AM

I uh, I'm starting to think you need to let this webcomic go, mate. It doesn't seem very healthy, to be honest.

Seriously, take a look around the rest of the forums and broaden your media horizons a bit. Start reading other webcomics that are actually good and fun to read, and then come back and discuss them on the forum. You'll have much more fun that way instead of this single-minded pursuit, I promise.

[up] I agree, this is not healthy behaviour.

Also, if you're just here to pursue your personal beef with Tats, this forum is not really the place for that sort of thing, just saying. I think we also have rules about that.

Edited by Redmess on Oct 28th 2022 at 7:15:39 PM

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NeedsAirCon from Access Denied....Human Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#5046: Oct 28th 2022 at 10:18:13 AM

See the above edit peeps for why I only seem to be a mono-poster please

Could it be T Vtropes was the only forum available for Sinfest at one time that wasn't under direct control of the author? Why, yes, I believe it was

What's with all the insults? I've already agreed with all your salient points and now you're calling me a monomaniac who's a reason the thread should be locked?

I believe that's simply unfair

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Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#5047: Oct 28th 2022 at 10:19:46 AM

[up]You don't seem to be willing to let this go. If you can't drop it, we will apply stricter measures. That's it. You're completely in charge of the outcome here.

Edited by Fighteer on Oct 28th 2022 at 1:20:05 PM

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#5048: Oct 28th 2022 at 10:20:56 AM

Look, I've already discussed with NAC the possibility of branching out via pm, and they seem receptive.

There is no need for any more tension, people.

[up][nja]

Edited by SkyCat32 on Oct 28th 2022 at 1:21:35 PM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#5049: Oct 28th 2022 at 10:27:53 AM

It wasn't meant as an insult, and you weren't the reason the thread was closed. I'm just concerned that you seem to have a single-minded vendetta here that is not very healthy for you.

Tats is really not that important, and really not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. It is okay to just let him go, you know. Just block him and move on with your life.

I mean, what do you hope to accomplish by continuing to post about him? He's not going to listen to you, or anyone else. Tats has fully committed to this path, and all you can do now is either get dragged down into the rabbit hole with him or distance yourself from it entirely to protect your sanity.

Just like I have done as well, I should add.

Again, I am sincerely trying to help you here, but like Fighteer said, it is all up to you now at this point.

Oh, and before you post or PM anything rash, I strongly suggest taking a break for a few days to let it all sink in, and only then come back with an answer.

Edited by Redmess on Oct 28th 2022 at 7:37:01 PM

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NeedsAirCon from Access Denied....Human Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#5050: Oct 28th 2022 at 10:50:05 AM

With all due respect,

I'd appreciate it more if you, Redmess, didn't make any futher assumptions about me whatsoever, especially since you have inadvertantly made several incorrect ones

If I have erred in any issues of politeness in this discussion, then I apologise, and you can take it as read that I would never deliberately insult you or any other tvtropers

I've made my points, and the counterpoints have convinced me, that yes, it is time to say "Well, things really aren't going to get better are they? There really isn't anything positive left to discuss in Sinfest"

C'est la vie

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