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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#451: Jan 18th 2021 at 4:26:44 PM

Took a while to catch up.

  • Moving any Forum Game that's basically a roleplay to the Roleplaying Section makes sense, imo.
  • Pantheon is fine, and JFF anyway. If drama continues, it should be looked at again, but it's mostly drama-free. I remember one ban evader, and like one person banned otherwise.
  • I do like the idea of having a Moderator/Person behind the Roleplay Discord being more than willing to communicate with the Mods. I know I have kept communication with them as is about issues, though I haven't had an active Discord that relates to it in this exact situation. Or any other offsite thing, so I haven't literally done it. But I like the direction it's going. Again, I'm not saying I'm a good example either way.
  • Daltar being inactive sucks, but I did notice we can't contact her alone for the PM Mod thing like way back when. Life happens.
  • Yack Fest having special moderators doesn't sound plausible to me, either.
    • I do like the idea of having a specific thread to note Insecurity rules and how to get aid.
    • Likewise, maybe just a general pinned topic of extra rules that apply to Yack Fest. Roleplaying and Forum Games has these kind of pinned topics, so it should be easy?

I think I covered it all by now.

That said, I can fully understand the Discord drama problem. Worth noting that it's hard to tag anyone on this site, and I have avoided doing so unless beyond necessary. The current roleplay that I co-run with another user is getting hard to have active players, but a PM feels kind of unnecessary unless it's an actual problematic thing they did. Just "being inactive" seems uncalled for. Sometimes RP's die. It happens.

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#452: Jan 18th 2021 at 4:51:05 PM

Hello. I just wanted to throw my own two cents in really quickly.

Some people who do not have therapists outside of their place of education or employment may have issues that they are afraid to discuss with said internal therapist. While nothing can be a substitute for professional help, there are times, especially during this decade so far, where no help is available for someone. I understand that as of the terms going forward I cannot access Yack Fest for at least three months, but I just wanted to put this in here.

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#453: Jan 18th 2021 at 4:59:16 PM

There are still better resources for help online than this forum, and like we already explained, we can't really take that responsibility, much as we might want to.

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#454: Jan 18th 2021 at 5:28:17 PM

Yeah, it can be really dangerous to have a forum like that. I'm speaking from experience here; getting help from an internet friend can feel great but being that friend put into the therapist scenario is not only extremely stressful but also very unsafe if you don't know how to handle it.

A place to vent about things? I think it might be valuable. A place to seek a form of online therapy? Potentially life-threatening.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#455: Jan 18th 2021 at 5:51:03 PM

And venting as a thread may be okay... if they don't get replies/help in itself. Preventing that is very very difficult since anyone can post just about anything. In addition to that, a hugbox isn't any better.

So it would have to be moderated as is to be feasible, even with a "no replying to others rule" to avoid further issues.

IMO, I don't think it's remotely doable in this case. It's a good idea, but impossible to implement right now. Even the Edit Banned thread has issues with people replying to others as is, despite the clear rule. And that has a limited number of posters by design.

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#456: Jan 18th 2021 at 5:54:39 PM

[up]If there's no replies period, not even "damn that sucks I'm sorry" type of replies, then why even have the forum? To air your dirty laundry and get nothing out of it? At that point just get a diary.

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#457: Jan 18th 2021 at 5:59:50 PM

Which is why I think there should perhaps be an addendum to the current pinned message stating resources if you are actually in need of mental or physical help of some sort.

Edited by TheWhistleTropes on Jan 18th 2021 at 9:02:21 AM

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#458: Jan 18th 2021 at 6:04:08 PM

My memory is foggy on this, but I'm like 80% we had a venting thread at one point. It got locked and deleted not long after its creation.

AdeptGaderius Otaku from the Anime World Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#459: Jan 18th 2021 at 6:11:41 PM

Hello here. I've decided to read this thread discussion after the Trash Heap was locked yesterday. I want to give some suggestions on improving the forums so that type of drama won't happen again.

  • Move all Murderverse games and other roleplays to the Roleplay section of the Forums.
  • The Trash Heap and Thread Anti-Necromancy is restored, but with rules to prevent further drama and chaos.
  • All off-site discussions for Roleplays in the Forums must be moved to Roleplaying Discussions so that drama is not imported from other sites. There must be a prohibition on off-site discussions, especially invite-only servers like Discord.
  • The appointment of local thread moderators on the Trash Heap and Thread Anti-Necromancy, whose role is to enact threadlocks for a period of time to cool down the discussion and thump posters that engage in the drama.

What do you think?

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#460: Jan 18th 2021 at 6:16:20 PM

I am unsure about whether the Thread Anti-Necromancy Game should be restored... although the dangers of child predation are pretty much anywhere anyway.

Trash Heap, though, that is a much calmer place. I have a feeling it'll be a lot safer.

And in conjunction with The Hangout Thread, I feel like it may be good.

Edited by TheWhistleTropes on Jan 18th 2021 at 9:17:00 AM

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#461: Jan 18th 2021 at 6:16:55 PM

I believe the issues with more moderation is focusing on one part of the site isn't really plausible? I forget the details.

That said, yeah, the venting thread was very quickly removed cause it got volatile fast. ...Which well, that happens with "ranting" in general. Even if we allowed hugbox-based replies(not saying it's a bad idea alone, but many will be tempted to reply outside of that. Having a zero replies rule can actually prevent that). I'm also not saying it's a "great" solution either. It's just a possibility that could prevent some chaos. Either way, I'm not sure if there's a feasible option anymore.

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#462: Jan 18th 2021 at 6:19:44 PM

I'm not too keen on restoring Anti-Necro, though that's in part because it hardly qualifies as a forum game and the intentionally-fast-pace of the game makes it an environment that encourages spam at best.

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#463: Jan 18th 2021 at 6:20:16 PM

I feel like the whole off-site discussion point of yours is a very extreme measure to avoid drama importation, Adept. Some people in the community just wanted to chat with each other without the whole on-topicness with whatever RP/game community they're at.

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#464: Jan 18th 2021 at 6:23:12 PM

That's not something we can control, but we can ban off-site chat groups for Roleplays and the like. There's a difference between a few tropers meeting up off-site, and Discord groups for Roleplays hosted on TVT.

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AdeptGaderius Otaku from the Anime World Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#465: Jan 18th 2021 at 6:28:44 PM

[up] I agree with that. I think Trash Heap will be only used to post things that are frivolous for the Hangout threads, while Thread Anti-Necromancy will be permanently locked for now on.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#466: Jan 18th 2021 at 6:28:53 PM

[up][up][up] The point was more about forum games creating their own large scale shadow thread off-site, which means conflicts grow well outside of the forum and are hard to moderate.

Edited by Redmess on Jan 18th 2021 at 3:29:06 PM

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#467: Jan 18th 2021 at 6:31:42 PM

I do not want there to be a breeding ground for horniness and child predation like TANG used to be. It had two toxic bird-themed individuals who both were banned for their crimes; one was an alt-right edgelord who sent an explicit Wikipedia page to minors, while the other was a depressive manipulator who sexted people on other platforms and generally made the whole place hornier than it should have ever been.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#468: Jan 18th 2021 at 6:35:49 PM

Ignore this.

Edited by Irene on Jan 18th 2021 at 9:06:35 AM

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#469: Jan 18th 2021 at 7:48:35 PM

One thing I wonder is who would actually moderate each thread. We Trash-Heapers do have a somewhat adversarial relationship with the mods at the moment, so whoever does it may have to be less biased against us as a whole.

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#470: Jan 18th 2021 at 7:55:29 PM

TBH, it may help if more Yack-Fest goers were here to discuss.

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#471: Jan 18th 2021 at 8:00:52 PM

Yes, indeed it should. I'll choose three at random that I have only occasional interactions with.

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AngrokVa indighost from america, unfortunately Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: Saddled with unnecessary feelings
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#472: Jan 18th 2021 at 8:03:47 PM

After whatever happened yesterday, which I've heard bits and pieces about over on Discord, and which I don't need to repeat, I have to ask: is it really necessary to permalock threads after importing drama from other places? Why not just simply temporarily lock the thread to give people time to calm down, and ban the offending users right away?

Edited by AngrokVa on Jan 18th 2021 at 11:04:18 AM

AdeptGaderius Otaku from the Anime World Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Otaku
#473: Jan 18th 2021 at 8:09:28 PM

[up] I think it's good idea to temporarily lock threads and ban the offending users. It prevents us from recreating the thread every time a mod-induced lock occurs. Plus, it would be an opportunity to rest away from typing on threads.

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#474: Jan 18th 2021 at 8:12:02 PM

I am currently under the assumption that the locks administered to the Trash Heap and Insecurities are cooldown locks until we are clear of mind enough to return, but I am unsure. The lock of the Thread Anti-Necromancy Game was most likely envisioned as a cooldown lock, but that cooldown has lasted for a month and three weeks thus far, as likely with the discussion of fetishes and presence of problematic tropers and sexual harassment it was determined to have been an explosion more akin to Chernobyl than Hiroshima.

Edited by TheWhistleTropes on Jan 18th 2021 at 11:12:29 AM

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#475: Jan 18th 2021 at 8:13:44 PM

Trash Heap can go either way, but most of us are very uncomfortable with bring Insecurities back; there's been a lot of discussion about the potential hazard it can cause.

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