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Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 11th 2024 at 3:20:25 AM

N1KF Alleged Number1KirbyFan (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Alleged Number1KirbyFan
#4276: May 6th 2022 at 9:12:30 PM

[up]I'm kind of surprised there's somebody doing the same! In the internet communities I'm in, it's rare for me to find people who share similar ambitions. Maybe there could be a casual thread where people can talk about technical details they find out about TV Tropes (besides security stuff), ideas we have about how to implement things, or other experimental TV Tropes pet projects. I imagine it would either go in Wiki Talk, Yack Fest, or Troper Covens, but I'm not entirely sure where.

edit: This is getting kind of off-topic, so it may be preferable to use PMs if further discussion is needed. I can just edit this post to put a link to the thread if it gets created.


I'm glad I had this conversation and some time for this to settle in, because I think I have a better understanding and appreciation for the appeal system now. It may look messy and have room for improvement but if it works then it works.

Edited by N1KF on May 6th 2022 at 11:22:10 AM

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#4277: May 7th 2022 at 2:38:37 AM

The reason I brought up overlapping posts is because a user in the thread expressed that it was hard to follow, and I thought there was some validity in that. If users don't find that to be a problem I suppose it isn't much of a problem.

And when the user expressed that the mods happily provided an accommodation that addressed the users issues. The way Crazysamaritan adapted the system to meet a person’s needs while not breaking it is actually a pretty beautiful example of what in U.K. law is called a Reasonable Adjustment, which is something people with disabilities are entitled to under our Equalities Act.

So yes there’s probably a bit of tidying that could be done, the What To Do If You Are Suspended page having a little section explaining why the system operates the way it does would certainly be nice, but that feel like it’s all we need out of this if the mods are good to keep giving Reasonable Adjustments with things like individual posts and recaps of a person’s appeal journey.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#4278: May 9th 2022 at 3:54:26 PM

Just an FYI to the mods regarding rileybrant20 getting suspended, they did also send me a PM, which wasn't harrassing, but accusing me of holding a grudge against them, in response to this query.

I realize I was getting a little emotionally invested there, and I apologize for that.

Edited by laserviking42 on May 9th 2022 at 6:54:43 AM

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4279: May 10th 2022 at 4:36:00 AM

[up]I saw it because I checked their PMs after they PMed me to bug me about suspending another user (which I didn't do), and the PMs they sent to us plus a third PM influenced the decision to issue a PM suspension.

Either way, the post you linked to isn't saying they were harassing you; it says they were harassing me in an attempt to get someone else suspended. The part about the PM to you simply said they were accusing you of holding a grudge, which lines up with your summary.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 10th 2022 at 6:40:44 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
megagutsman Maverick Hunter. from Dragon Turtle MK.1. (Seven Years' War) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Maverick Hunter.
#4280: May 10th 2022 at 2:12:11 PM

Umm, shouldn't both Spukikitty's and Laptop Guy's lattest comment in the EB thread have been thumped? After all, one of the rules of said thread is to not comment about what somebody else said, as seen here:

NOTE: If you see another banned person post something that you want to comment on, don't. This thread is for discussion between banned people and Mods - no third parties invited.

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#4281: May 10th 2022 at 2:22:14 PM

We were thinking of thumping them but I ended up making a mod post about multiposting/impatience. I'll just thump them to make the message clear.

Edited by MacronNotes on May 10th 2022 at 9:45:54 AM

Macron's notes
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#4282: May 11th 2022 at 1:22:45 AM

Why was the cut request for VisualNovel.Futadom World Binding Sim declined? I know the thread wasn't linked, but it's still a stub with only two non ZCE examples, as one mod pointed out, so the porn issue aside... it should've been cut anyway.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#4283: May 11th 2022 at 2:05:11 AM

Because between that and the character page it's not clear that it's actually just two. And porn requests need to be filed on behalf of a 5P ruling, not one troper's opinion.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#4284: May 11th 2022 at 2:08:32 AM

Well, I mean, the P5 barely exists anymore, so that last part is kinda completely impossible. Putting that aside, though, the stub issue still holds true.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#4285: May 11th 2022 at 3:02:46 AM

I guess you can merge back the characters page, then comment out Zce tropes before cutting.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
SilverCrown (Private) Relationship Status: Singularity
#4286: May 11th 2022 at 7:26:07 AM

Isn't it time to kill the P5 outright? We did have a thread on replacing it, but I don't know where the effort went.

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#4287: May 11th 2022 at 8:15:05 AM

There was a thread for this here but the changes we wanted require admin coding. Until that's done, there's nothing we can really do about the backlog.

Macron's notes
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#4288: May 15th 2022 at 8:39:08 AM

Hold off on cutting YMMV.Gangsta Granny.

The ban-evader's only edit to that page was crosswicking an example to the main page, and I want to be sure it isn't someone else's.

On second thought, cut it, since it is a ZCE.

Edited by SkyCat32 on May 15th 2022 at 11:39:44 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#4289: May 23rd 2022 at 9:17:29 AM

Super quick question: how do you report/holler P Ms?

Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#4290: May 23rd 2022 at 9:20:04 AM

PM a mod or write in Ask The Tropers that you have a concerning PM without revealing its contents.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#4291: May 23rd 2022 at 9:21:15 AM

If you decide to use ATT, remember to mark the query as private so that only mods can see it.

Edited by MacronNotes on May 23rd 2022 at 12:21:45 PM

Macron's notes
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#4292: May 23rd 2022 at 12:40:50 PM

So I think it’s worth us having a discussion about the COVID thread in OTC. While Synchronicity seems to have calmed it down again, there’s a nasty trend emerging.

The continuously hostile tone being taken with troopers who disagree with the thread’s more local posters is regularly descending into personal attacks, even when it doesn’t there’s a continuously assumption of bad-faith and any stem tone is taken in the worst possible way. It’s tiring to read through makes me at least not want to post there, I doubt I’m the only one.

As the mods seem to have decided not to ban the people pushing to thread into being a hostile environment (or least nothing has been announced in thread, though I realise that’s not always done), I think it’s worth having a discussion here about how the thread should be managed and what should be done.

Edited by Silasw on May 23rd 2022 at 8:41:37 PM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
megagutsman Maverick Hunter. from Dragon Turtle MK.1. (Seven Years' War) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Maverick Hunter.
#4293: May 23rd 2022 at 1:43:17 PM

Silas, do you have any examples of this hostility? For people like me that don't frequent the COVID thread I meant.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#4294: May 23rd 2022 at 2:10:06 PM

I won't name names, but two of the primary instigators have a history of this kind of behavior and have probably been banned at least once in the past for repeated failure to interpret others' posts in good faith or to present their own points in a manner that looks like good faith.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#4295: May 23rd 2022 at 3:10:36 PM

To avoid making this a call-out of specific posters I don’t want to give specific examples, but a look at the last couple pages of the thread should give an example. Generally it’s a dismissive and very angry attitude to any difference of opinion or even differ being experience/perspective.

It’s connects in with the earlier problem we had, where a chunk of people were using the thread as a place to vent about groups opposing safety measures/worry about COVID, rather than a place to actually discuss COVID.

I understand that people are still anxious about COVID, but the thread should be about discussing COVID and COVID measures, not validating people’s anxiety.

Edited by Silasw on May 24th 2022 at 8:42:35 PM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4296: May 23rd 2022 at 3:45:27 PM

The previous discusssion was brought up in the mod chat earlier, but it's been kind of a slow day (and last week was kind of a slow week), so it might take us a while to work things out.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 23rd 2022 at 5:49:40 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#4297: May 23rd 2022 at 3:47:06 PM

As a lurker/occasional poster, I think an unavoidable part of the problem is that a lot of the news reports and such that are linked only cover how the pandemic is going in Europe/the US and tropers not from those places are upset about the disparate coverage, and that translates into them being upset on the thread whenever statements like "COVID is manageable according to [data or personal experiences from European countries and/or the US]" are made.

Now obviously everyone should make an effort to remain civil, but I do think a large part of it is people simply not looking for data beyond that of their own country's for whatever reason.

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4298: May 23rd 2022 at 4:34:42 PM

We decided not to do anything at the moment since things seem to have calmed down, so send hollers if anything else comes up.

I got a rock for Halloween.
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#4299: May 23rd 2022 at 7:07:44 PM

A moderation question out of interest, how does a Holler work technically? I have a few theories on how the messages are recieved, but a concrete idea would be helpful to know.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#4300: May 23rd 2022 at 7:10:37 PM

I think I saw somewhere they go to a forum thread?


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