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#176: Dec 25th 2022 at 11:24:49 AM

One big clue I'd say is if Globalist is used as an insult or identifying label for some sort of enemy.

"I do wonder if a globalist economic policy is feasible?" - Good.

"Beware BLM and their Globalist Agenda!" - Bad.

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I recall a similar discussion recently on a Discord I was in about New World Order as a antisemitic term. One person insisted that it was offensive to jews to use it, though most thought it was far too generic to be directly associated with antisemitism.

I commented that I associated it with Pro Wrestling instead of any conspiracies.

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#177: Dec 25th 2022 at 11:28:53 AM

All the conspiracies about NWO, Freemason, Illuminati shit are definitely mired in antisemitism and old ass anti-liberal paranoia by the aristocracy during the Enlightenment.

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#178: Dec 26th 2022 at 6:36:29 AM

“old ass anti-liberal paranoia by the aristocracy during the Enlightenment”

Sorry for the bother but could you elaborate on this point a bit more? It’s not something I heard about very much.

In relation to the standard Big Conspiracies, I mean.

Edited by fredhot16 on Dec 26th 2022 at 6:37:19 AM

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#179: Dec 26th 2022 at 6:48:37 AM

The illuminati conspiracy theory was created by monarchists. They proposed that The Illuminati went into hiding and helped spark various liberal revolutions, such as the American and French revolutions.

This was done largely to discredit the concept of democracy.

Edited by Protagonist506 on Dec 26th 2022 at 6:49:32 AM

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#180: Dec 26th 2022 at 7:07:31 AM

I want a list of the religions of every rich tycoon in America because I don't believe the bullshit about Jews running all the businesses, but I don't know if I can trust any list I find.

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#181: Dec 26th 2022 at 7:23:23 AM

Admittedly, for a guy who considers himself a fairly proud Jew, I get VERY upset by the very existence of the likes of Madoff, Bankman-Fried, Walder and Epstein because they make us all look bad. Sort of like certain Black people are probably upset by R. Kelly and Bill Cosby's misconduct because they feel it drags their community down.

The fact that Jew-Haters will use any excuse to be Jew-Haters notwithstanding.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Dec 26th 2022 at 10:24:04 AM

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#182: Dec 26th 2022 at 10:46:39 AM

[up] I had no idea those guys were Jewish. Even Epstein isn't obviously a Jewish name to me (though if I had to pick one out of the list as Jewish, it'd be this one).

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#183: Dec 26th 2022 at 10:51:07 AM

No mention of Weinstein? xP

But seriously, nobody should feel bad about this. It's not like being born Jewish has some sort of guarantee of never turning bad. People are individuals, not part of a collective. And sometimes, individuals do very evil stuff.

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#184: Dec 26th 2022 at 11:08:11 AM

Foren: Weinstein also rubs me the wrong way.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not ashamed to be Jewish myself, never will be. I'm ashamed that they are, if only because people use their actions as an excuse to be racist towards us.

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#185: Dec 26th 2022 at 1:01:30 PM

But there's so many industries. While I'm sure some of the heads of them are Jewish I doubt in America even half of them are. Who runs Exxon, Mc Donald's, Microsoft? Is Bezos a Jewish name?

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#186: Dec 27th 2022 at 7:31:17 AM

There are historical reasons for why some industries have more Jewish people than others, but other times, it's really just coincidence. Antisemites have promoted the same conspiracy theories for hundreds of years, regardless of the place of Jews in society.

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#187: Dec 28th 2022 at 8:52:06 AM

I just remembered that I was supposed to knock it off with the respectability politics.

It wasn't the fault of Italian immigrants that Al Capone was a crook, even if Italophobes liked to pretend it was.

It's not my fault Harvey Weinstein and the like are scumbags, even if the Jew-Haters like to pretend it is.

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#188: Dec 30th 2022 at 8:30:41 AM

Netanyahu, while talking about how his country was the first to get out of COVID, apparently said "Israel became the lab for Pfizer". Needless to say, this spawned tons of antisemitic hate and conspiracy BS.

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#189: Dec 31st 2022 at 10:56:50 AM

Scratch conspiracy theories, find antisemitism. It rarely fails.

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#190: Jan 13th 2023 at 12:36:54 PM

This might be a bit of a random bump, but I just read through the British Politics thread and I didn't want to derail the thread, so:

Could we please stop acting as if Jeremy Corbyn never did anything wrong and was a completely innocent character assassination victim? While yes, some of the people who attacked him the most were quite hypocritical, the man did say a lot of things that can be considered at least pretty darn insensitive/tone-deaf. The Antisemitism investigation into Labour was also not done by the Tories, but by independent third parties, the findings were substantial and even the Labour-affiliated Jewish Labour Movement and the Holocaust Educational Trust were against bringing him back into the party.

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 13th 2023 at 9:37:23 PM

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#191: Jan 13th 2023 at 12:42:55 PM

Certain people don't like to call out prejudice within their own political affiliations, even if they would point it out in their rivals.

I try to be consistent in that regard.

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#193: Jan 13th 2023 at 12:59:08 PM

Could we please stop acting as if Jeremy Corbyn never did anything wrong and was a completely innocent character assassination victim?

Saying that Corbyn was the victim of a smear campaign does not equate to him being "innocent".

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#194: Jan 13th 2023 at 1:04:45 PM

Um...yeah. While it is a good point that he wasn't innocent, the UK is also in a position where the tabloids will take any opponents, take a flaw, and blow it up to such a massive proportion that it's literally the only thing they get known for, and it deflates the opposition. Like, they go to the lengths of faking photographs and interviews to smear people.

Corbyn is probably antisemitic to some degree. Boris Johnson is flat out racist as hell and antisemitic and the tabloids and mainstream UK news media didn't talk about that at all because he was convenient to their purposes.

Corbyn being antisemitic does not cancel out the fact that he was the victim of a crazy intense smear campaign that jumped to Starmer the instant Corbyn mostly left the picture. Notice how the tabloids don't want to talk about Corbyn at all anymore and stopped giving a shit about bringing him to any sort of justice.

It's actually pretty bad to wield antisemitism accusations as a weapon only when it's convenient because that creates the impression that Jewish people are only valuable as tools to remove your opponents from power.

Edited by Zendervai on Jan 13th 2023 at 4:12:10 AM

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#195: Jan 14th 2023 at 8:26:46 PM

Sydney Morning Herald: Australian Jewish leaders want more Holocaust education after New South Wales premier Dominic Perrottet was found to have worn a Nazi uniform at his 21st birthday, 19 years ago.

The NSW Jewish Board of Deputies acknowledged that the premier (equivalent to state governor in the US) personally reached out to the state's Jewish community over the past incident and ensured that the Sydney Jewish Museum received $6 million in funding.

One day, we will read his name in the news and cheer.
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#196: Jan 17th 2023 at 11:54:37 AM

On the topic of Madoff, I actually remember reading an article back in the day from a Jewish author upset by the whole Bernie Madoff scandal in which he calls Madoff a "shanda for the goyim" (Hebrew for "Stop Being Stereotypical", essentially) while also noting that aside from behaving in a way that most Jewish people consider shameful, it's important to realize that a lot of the people Bernie Madoff defrauded were other Jews.

Thus while I can understand being overly concerned about respectability politics, it's just as important for Gentiles to realize that it's absolutely stupid and bigoted to act like he and other Jewish people caught doing wrong were part of a sinister Jewish plot against non-Jews as if they didn't gleefully victimize their own fellows.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jan 17th 2023 at 1:44:24 AM

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#197: Jan 17th 2023 at 1:08:32 PM

"Chilul Hashem" (desecration of God's name) is the word I would usually use to describe misdeeds as they relate to Jews (or to a lesser extent other Abrahamic practitioners).

Many people in the Jewish community feel the same way about Madoff (maybe more so) that certain Black people feel about certain alleged bad actors within BLM regarding financial misappropriation allegations.

It's not only seen as a betrayal within the community, but it's believed to reflect poorly on the community itself and sow prejudice.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#198: Feb 22nd 2023 at 12:44:26 AM

Second Antisemitic flyer found this month at the University of Vermont. This after last year Antisemitism was happening on Campus

Less than a week ago a known Antisemitic Catholic School in Florida had its soccer team attack a Jewish teenager

Proper info on the attack here. Revealing this wasn’t the first time he had been attacked. Only last time it was just slurs.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Feb 22nd 2023 at 12:48:20 PM

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#199: Feb 22nd 2023 at 1:17:33 AM

Remember when antisemitism wasn't becoming mainstream? It doesn't feel that long ago. What the hell is happening.

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#200: Feb 22nd 2023 at 1:25:09 AM

It was mainstream for centuries. We only recently have started to realize it should not be mainstream.

Disgusted, but not surprised

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