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jandn2014 SMILE! from somewhere in Connecticut Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#51: Dec 28th 2020 at 11:27:56 AM

[up] Those just sound like they’re describing the idea of gendered hobbies in general, with no connection to the main idea of the trope (a parent being disapproving of their child having a hobby not commonly associated with their gender).

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#52: Dec 28th 2020 at 11:28:42 AM

Plus they sound too narrow.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#53: Dec 28th 2020 at 1:17:14 PM

They also sound kind of dialogue-like, so they might violate No New Stock Phrases.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 28th 2020 at 3:17:28 AM

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ArsThaumaturgis Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
#55: Dec 30th 2020 at 12:03:15 AM

I'm in favour of the aforementioned "Gendered Hobby, Disapproving Parent".

Gendered Hobby, Disapproving Parent has some Ambiguous Syntax ...

If I'm not much mistaken, that can be remedied via a custom title that inserts the comma.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#56: Dec 30th 2020 at 1:02:15 AM

[up]We can indeed use a custom title to add a comma, similarly to what's done with tropes like Bad Powers, Bad People.

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Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#57: Dec 30th 2020 at 1:45:11 AM

Yes, a custom title solves the problem.

Related to this, where do we fix incorrectly customized titles?

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#58: Dec 30th 2020 at 2:10:42 AM

[up]Incorrect custom titles can be fixed by submitting a request for the fix, though it might be worth letting the mods know if the fix is subtle, such as what was done here for Aw, Look! They Really Do Love Each Other when that trope's custom title contradicted the Wiki Word by having an extra W at the beginning.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 30th 2020 at 4:11:56 AM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#59: Dec 30th 2020 at 11:28:28 AM

Other ideas or time to fire up the AN crowner?

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#60: Jan 2nd 2021 at 11:05:45 AM

It turned out there were a ton of alternate ideas in the first page, so here's the crowner. Hollering to hook.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#61: Jan 11th 2021 at 12:28:40 PM

Bumping, and re hollering to hook

Edited by Synchronicity on Jan 11th 2021 at 2:29:04 PM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#62: Jan 17th 2021 at 10:21:35 AM

Bump again, please hook the crowner...

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#63: Jan 18th 2021 at 3:59:27 AM

No idea why it wasn't seen before, but it's hooked now.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#64: Jan 22nd 2021 at 8:26:39 AM

Four days in, here are the names in the green:

  • 10 (yeas:13 nays:3) 4.33 : 1
    Gender Normative Parent Plot
  • 4 (yeas:11 nays:7) 1.57 : 1
    Gendered Hobby Disapproving Parent
  • 1 (yeas:4 nays:3) 1.33 : 1
    Gender Defying Hobby

A bit surprised at the downvotes for Gendered Hobby, Disapproving Parent, as the discussion seemed to favor it. "Gender-Normative Parent" Plot sounds broader than the trope's focus on a parent disliking their kid's hobby for gender roles; it could also cover "parent thinking their son should be manly in general" without the hobby focus.

RallyBot2 (Elder Troper) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#65: Jan 23rd 2021 at 7:06:41 PM

Gendered Hobby, Disapproving Parent is also a bit vague; there's no "perfect" name for the trope. Still, they're both better than what we have now.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#66: Jan 24th 2021 at 3:01:42 AM

Frankly, the main problem I see is that it sounds incredibly stilted.

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Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#67: Jan 24th 2021 at 5:16:46 AM

It's really hard to squeeze this idea into a few words, thus meet both Clear and Concise, without sounding painfully forced.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#68: Feb 5th 2021 at 12:48:59 PM

Votes bump, same three in the green, one with consensus.

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#69: Feb 5th 2021 at 12:53:47 PM

Should we make the other two redirects?

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#70: Feb 10th 2021 at 7:09:40 AM

Gendered Hobby, Disapproving Parent has just enough consensus to be made one if the crowner were called now.

Berrenta MOD Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#71: Feb 10th 2021 at 3:27:37 PM

Calling in favor of "Gender-Normative Parent" Plot. I'll do the move tonight.

Gendered Hobby, Disapproving Parent will be a redirect.

Spark9 Since: Nov, 2010
#72: Feb 10th 2021 at 3:42:23 PM

Any thoughts on rendering it as "Gender normative parent" plot to avoid confusion with a "Gender normative" parent plot?

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#73: Feb 10th 2021 at 3:43:10 PM

[up] Sounds like a good idea.

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Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#74: Feb 10th 2021 at 4:14:41 PM

Sounds good; will send in the wikiword.

Anyways, move done. Only 106 wicks to deal with.

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
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#75: Feb 10th 2021 at 11:31:10 PM

Cleaning the wicks now. I guess the description has to be rewritten to be more gender neutral too?

On Distaff Counterpart, You Go, Girl! is listed as a counterpart to this trope but that doesn't sound right to me (trope is gender neutral now anyway)

Macron's notes

PageAction: BillyElliotPlot
12th Dec '20 10:39:52 PM

Crown Description:

Most examples for Billy Elliot Plot fail to explain how the disapproval stems from gender roles, or what the gender roles are.

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