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Spark9 Since: Nov, 2010
#26: Nov 19th 2020 at 11:47:59 AM

I don't think forbidding a hobby because it's feminine (e.g. ballet) is meaningfully different from forbidding it because it's nerdy (e.g. dungeons&dragons). Tropes don't have to be so narrow. So I think a merge is in order.

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#27: Nov 19th 2020 at 11:48:15 AM

BEP is also a subtrope I believe, which means it can easily have less examples simply by being the variation as opposed to the original.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#28: Nov 19th 2020 at 11:51:56 AM

Yeah, if nothing else I find it a meaningful enough variation to have its own trope. 107 wicks ain't that bad.

Edited by Synchronicity on Nov 19th 2020 at 7:52:06 PM

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#29: Nov 19th 2020 at 1:15:38 PM

OK, so never mind the wick count, but I'm still not convinced that "plot about a parent who is opposed to their son having a girly hobby" is fully distinct from "parent who is opposed to their kid's hobby". I agree with what Spark9 said above.

Edit: Plus, Fantasy-Forbidding Father allows examples of parents forbidding girls from having stereotypically masculine hobbies (in addition to allowing any other example featuring a daughter instead of a son), while "Billy Elliot" Plot is specific to boys having stereotypically feminine hobbies.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 19th 2020 at 3:29:21 AM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#30: Nov 19th 2020 at 2:31:52 PM

Those "parents disapprove of daughter trying masculine hobby" would probably be better off as a Gender-Inverted Example of "Billy Elliot" Plot. Or just a general example if we broaden it to be about gender roles.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31: Nov 23rd 2020 at 2:43:08 PM

Bumping. Potential crowner options?

(editing to note that expanding is not mutually exclusive with renaming, but both are mutually exclusive with merging)

Edited by Synchronicity on Nov 23rd 2020 at 11:00:39 AM

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#32: Nov 23rd 2020 at 2:56:10 PM

[up]I can't think of anything else. Since Septimus left a post in the appearance trope cleanup thread saying "Do nothing" options are redundant with downvoting everything (though I don't remember which page this on or what the thread's project was at the time), I'm assuming we can leave that off.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 23rd 2020 at 4:57:58 AM

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naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#33: Nov 23rd 2020 at 3:50:23 PM

[up][up]Gender-Inversions are usually listed along with the main trope, so I'm not sure how the third option would change anything.

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#34: Nov 23rd 2020 at 9:12:36 PM

[up][up] I think his specific objection to "do nothing" options is what to do if everything, including "do nothing", is downvoted. You can't do anything, but you also can't do nothing.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35: Nov 24th 2020 at 7:24:00 AM

[up][up]That’s how it should be but apparently FFF covers those for some reason.

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#36: Dec 12th 2020 at 6:59:15 PM

Bumping. Do we just make the crowner at this point? Also, there is no banner yet.

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Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#37: Dec 12th 2020 at 9:44:34 PM

[up]Make the Crowner, holler a mod, and let's start voting.

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#39: Dec 13th 2020 at 1:36:00 AM

Crowner attached.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#40: Dec 17th 2020 at 10:26:49 AM

Four days:

  • 10 (yeas:11 nays:1) 11.00 : 1
    Expand "Billy Elliot" Plot to include examples of parents disapproving of girls trying masculine hobbies, making it gender-neutral.
  • 8 (yeas:10 nays:2) 5.00 : 1
    Rename "Billy Elliot" Plot

Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#41: Dec 17th 2020 at 12:04:52 PM

What should it be renamed to? "Gender-Normative Parent" Plot is my first thought, but that sounds a bit clunky.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#42: Dec 17th 2020 at 12:33:20 PM

[up]Would like the hobby/interest to be in the title. Gendered Hobby, Disapproving Parent?

Edited by Synchronicity on Dec 17th 2020 at 2:34:06 PM

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#43: Dec 19th 2020 at 6:55:09 PM

Calling in favor of expansion and rename.

Let's come up with a list of possible new names.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#44: Dec 22nd 2020 at 6:53:41 AM

Bump to see if anyone else has alternate name suggestions.

wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
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#45: Dec 22nd 2020 at 9:26:47 AM

Gendered Hobby Opposed By Parent

Parent Opposes Gendered Hobby

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#49: Dec 28th 2020 at 1:36:18 AM

Gendered Hobby, Disapproving Parent has some Ambiguous Syntax ("Gendered Hobby, Disapproving Parent" or "Gendered Hobby-Disapproving Parent"), though the two convey the same message (the parent disapproves the gendered hobby).

Spark9 Since: Nov, 2010
#50: Dec 28th 2020 at 10:59:42 AM

Would it help to have a less "clinical" name, such as Dancing Is For Girls or Sports Are For Boys?

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Crown Description:

Most examples for Billy Elliot Plot fail to explain how the disapproval stems from gender roles, or what the gender roles are.

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