Mohs Scale of Hardness Cleanup

The Lewandererz 602555 has made another change in the Video Games section, changing Video Game/Bloodborne from Level 9 to Level 10, saying it has a lot of Gorn and Body Horror. I admit, this makes a lot more sense than one of his previous edits I changed, but I don’t think the game is graphic or brutal enough to earn an outright 10, considering regular gameplay just results in large blood spray and splatter with little body detail. At worse, I would say it’s a borderline 10, but there’s not enough detail for it to reach it.

Yeah, I kind of doubt that too. I haven't played the game myself, but considering the user has frequently changed things from 9 to 10 while often not giving any more reasons than the original entry did (usually just using more flowery language for things already implied by the original entry) and the fact that the game was rated 16 instead of 18 by PEGI when post-2010 PEGI is very strict with their ratings, I think it should probably be a 9.

I have brought it back to 9

Lewandererz is making more changes to the Video Games section, making changes to the Evil Within and RDR 2 descriptions. While there’s nothing wrong with that in and of itself, he’s using the same phrase for his edits (although he changed EW’s back): level 10 for extreme gorn and body horror. I feel like these are not descriptive enough for the ratings, and are somewhat incorrect in RDR’s case.

Yeah, I noticed that, too. It seems like those particular notes are a bit less descriptive/informative now, but, then again, I'm not a huge gamer, so I wouldn't know for sure. This troper also transferred Mad Max: Fury Road to 9 from 8 (for the jaw-ripping, which I remember being very brief), where it had been for quite some time. I'm certainly not opposed to transferring works to more accurate levels, but I (and perhaps others) think a 9 for Fury Road is a bit too high.

I found an upload of the Mad Max: Fury Road scene, and yeah, it's very quick, and you need to pause to get a good look at the truly gory details

Do we have a consensus to transfer Mad Max: Fury Road back to level 8?

I don't know. I haven't actually seen the movie itself surprisingly, but I also found it interesting how it actually used to be at level 7, and the level 9 entry for it leaves out two aspects the old level 7 entry had (about chainsaw attacks and character's eyes being bloodied). Of course, I'd say it's too much for a 7. But another thing is that the entry claims you later see the character's corpse with the injury visible. Assuming it isn't referring to the shot of his face immediately afterwards (also very brief) though.

Lewandererz relatively recently moved Saving Private Ryan from level 9 to level 10, due to the brief scene where a dying soldier is shown with some of his innards next to him. It's a grisly scene, to be sure, but I think that its brevity keeps it on 9. What does everybody here think?

I'm not sure what this site's policy on posting not-safe-for-work (NSFW) videos is, so I won't post a direct link, but the clip can be found on You Tube from 7:13 to 7:21 in a video titled "Saving Private Ryan (1998) Epic Opening Scene."

It's a graphic, intense, realistic movie, but it doesn't really dwell on the gorier images.

Yeah, I noticed that too. Having seen the clip (although not in the context of the movie itself), I think it can stay at level 9, as it isn't horribly dragged out, and I don't think it's absolutely gory enough, given the level of mutilated bodies that have appeared on level 9 in other cases. This feels like another case of "it's a hyper-violent movie, so it has to be level 10"

Edited by KingofNightmares on Sep 20th 2022 at 3:31:00 AM

Would it be correct to rate The Exorcist at a level 9 for the demon's explicit possessed sexual assault of Regan (A 12-year old)? Most of the violence is an objective level 6 or 7 but I rate sexual violence on a very high curve.

I haven't seen The Exorcist yet, but, based on information given, it sounds like you made a good call.

It's a weird example because Regan is physically doing it herself, but she's mentally possessed by the demon so she's being raped albeit in an unusual fashion.

Lewandererz has done another edit to For Honor from a 9 to a 10. I edited it back to 9, but I think he needs to be told about continuously changing things from an 8 or a 9 to a 10 just because it’s brutal or graphic, because it’s getting to be quite frustrating to keep changing his edits, and I’m sure there are others who agree.

I didn't think of it. Sorry.

Okay, so I need to address Literature again. So, before, I talked about how works with non-humans were getting lower levels for it, but now, it's starting to seem off. For example, the entries for Animorphs and WarriorCats sound really gruesome for level 5, even if they're directed at non-humans, with it not helping that the non-humans in these stories are generally characterized. I feel like there have been level 6 and 7 entries on Film and Video Games directed at characters with Alien Blood that were less severe. It's also weird that Wings of Fire is still level 8 despite this when it really isn't any worse than Animorphs or Warrior Cats. Sure, WoF did have a human decapitation, but the entry itself isn't being rewritten to focus exclusively on it or anything like that (well that, and I could be remembering wrong, but I think some of the details on the entry are wrong too)

Would anyone object to me moving Conan the Barbarian (1982) from level 7 to level 9? The current context note forgets to mention the cannibal kitchen scene, which, in my opinion, bumps up the film to a 9.

I haven't seen the film, but based on what you're saying, that does seem too gruesome for a level 7. I have no objections

I'm considering bumping Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood up to an 8 due to the explicit and bloody depiction of mass civilian casualties and genocide with the Ishavalans. Code Geass got up there despite also having more or less no gore in its depiction of mass civilian genocide.

I think that's reasonable

So, Film is supposed to be for Live-Action Films right? Because IúkaSylvie moved several examples from Anime & Manga to the respective Film subpages.

I'm no expert on the subject, but I think that you're right: anime films go in the anime/manga category and live-action movies go in the film category.

So, on the Western Animation page, Cow and Chicken was added to level 9. Now, personally, I kind of doubt it's that bad, especially for a show that aired on Cartoon Network during the day. I feel like this is SpongeBob SquarePants style stuff that is conceptually horrific, but not presented in a manner that truly reaches a high level. When you consider what works are on level 8 and 9 on the Live-Action Films page, it makes it feel alien for a Cartoon Network show to be this high up on the scale.

The entry just looks like personal Nightmare Fuel. I think you are going to need a lot more than cartoon violence to be able to rank that high.

I haven't seen this in action, but would anyone object to me putting down at level 5?