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This thread's purpose is to discuss issues within the TLP community and site culture as well as propose solutions to said issues.

Please do not use this thread to report or call out specific users or TLP drafts on this thread. You can make an Ask The Tropers query on the issue, holler, or PM a mod (the first of the three being preferable).

     Original OP 
I've been discussing with Warjay on DMs over the problematic issues of the TLP community as a whole, and I've started noticing this pattern from this draft. Based on the earlier Mario Pissing and Gay incidents, as well as observing the behavior of regulars in general, here are some issues I need to address.
  • The community is too bomb-happy. By that, I mean, when a stub draft is proposed, users are way to quick to drop the bombs the moment it's available, and this creates a feedback loop where other users are encouraged to drop bombs as well. It gets to the point where the purpose of dropping bombs to offset hats is lost, and people care more about raising the bomb count than anything else.
  • The community is unwilling to teach inexperienced sponsors. All too often, I've seen regulars not even trying to teach sponsors the steps needed to improve, and instead, will just give blunt statements that do nothing to help at all. (Ex: "No description! No examples! Bombing for lack of effort!")
  • The overall rudeness of regulars. From my observations, most of the regulars are very prone to delving into snarky and sarcastic comments that condemn sponsors, and this is only creating an unwelcoming, toxic environment.

This needs to be fixed because, from the looks of it, those who were not banned from the 5T incident or didn't participate at all didn't get the memo that this type of mentality is very toxic and is what leads to incidents like that in the first place.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2025 at 5:31:13 AM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#1051: Oct 13th 2022 at 12:35:57 PM

Okay, we're gonna need something done about this thread, the sponsor can't understand any of the criticisms no matter how clearly they're laid out and instead keeps making changes that don't fix any problems (instead they're just making the issues worse and refusing to listen). I'm stepping away from it for good now because the conversation has just gone in circles and there's nothing more I can add without things getting even more tense, but anyone reading it can see that I tried numerous times to get them to understand me.

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MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#1052: Oct 13th 2022 at 12:54:28 PM

Decided to bring Knight 20 in for a chat so that we can sort this out in the Edit Banned thread.

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#1053: Oct 13th 2022 at 4:01:16 PM

That user had similar obstructiveness in another TLP they sponsored, Gasoline Dousing, where they refused to broaden the trope despite multiple suggestions that they were being overly narrow. Not to dogpile but it might be good for context.

Edited by mightymewtron on Oct 13th 2022 at 7:01:38 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Hi
#1054: Oct 13th 2022 at 7:27:08 PM

[up] Argh, I knew their handle was familiar to me and that's the memory jog I needed.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#1055: Oct 13th 2022 at 7:40:06 PM

Oh... yeah, that. I just went back and re-read that conversation, and yeah it was the exact same behavior then that they're showing now. (It also doesn't look like Gasoline Dousing's debate was ever resolved, I think everyone just simultaneously gave up, but that's neither here nor there.)

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Cutegirl920fire Player 222 from the Squid Games (Five Long Years) Relationship Status: Paris holds the key to my heart
Player 222
#1056: Oct 14th 2022 at 9:37:42 AM

So, Brydav made three separate copies of the same draft. What to do here?

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#1057: Oct 14th 2022 at 9:44:52 AM

I could make a guess that they've somehow mistaken it for the Search, but they've also hatted own draft.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#1058: Oct 14th 2022 at 10:48:18 AM

Sometimes things just double-or-triple post, so I won't assume the spam is intentional.

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#1060: Oct 15th 2022 at 4:15:07 PM

Blaccfossil keeps posting one-line drafts and leaving them to get bombed and discarded. The most recent one is here; I listed the others in the draft comments.

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MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#1061: Oct 15th 2022 at 4:28:12 PM

Took their TLP privileges away.

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amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#1062: Oct 17th 2022 at 7:40:09 PM

Brydav posted two drafts to the TLP, both of which started as stubs (though the second one is an index and other users quickly filled the void), and seems to be trying to import another wiki's (similar to Near Evil wiki) content on to the site.

Not sure if any of this rises above the "tell them none of this is cool, don't do it again" level, but thought it best to make note here

Edited by amathieu13 on Oct 17th 2022 at 10:40:31 AM

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#1063: Oct 17th 2022 at 7:50:02 PM

I think they tried to launch an index for sheep earlier today that I had to unlaunch because it was premature and some people didn't think we needed the index.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#1064: Oct 17th 2022 at 7:57:16 PM

Yep, same guy.

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amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#1065: Oct 17th 2022 at 7:59:08 PM

Tropes That Go Baa? Yeah that was them.

In general, they seem like someone who's very new (account started editing earlier this year), hasn't read the guidelines, and just wants to try their hand at launching and drafting something. It does not surprise me that 2/3 of their drafts were for 1 of the popular "trends" in the TLP over the past year of Animal Index

Edited by amathieu13 on Oct 17th 2022 at 11:09:09 AM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#1066: Oct 17th 2022 at 8:05:36 PM

The Deer one is Smashman's draft; they just have the indexes and then the whole... "Love Exalted" thing.

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amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#1067: Oct 17th 2022 at 8:08:50 PM

ah you're right. lemme edit my post

Synchronicity MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1068: Oct 19th 2022 at 10:22:14 AM

~Ky Supa Fly , please crosswick Animation Evolution. It's been almost three weeks since the launch.

Yindee Just stoic wisdom. from New England Since: Jul, 2016
Just stoic wisdom.
#1069: Oct 19th 2022 at 7:47:56 PM

A couple days on, Brydav doesn't seem to be responsive to other people's input regarding the index-worthiness and title/description-incongruity of Must have Musteloids

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Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#1070: Oct 20th 2022 at 7:03:37 PM

Should we put a hold on Tropes That Go Baaa since it's been launched twice (one being rogue) now with no consideration on issues brought up?

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MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#1071: Oct 20th 2022 at 7:04:59 PM

-sighs- I put it on hold for now.

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Yindee Just stoic wisdom. from New England Since: Jul, 2016
Just stoic wisdom.
#1072: Oct 20th 2022 at 7:26:20 PM

[up] Your avatar is very fitting for your response.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#1073: Oct 23rd 2022 at 4:07:31 PM

On this edition of "People who seem obsessed with the Stock Animal stuff", Edna Walker just won't listen to what people are saying. On this thread, for several weeks, they've been preoccupied by just listening animals even as we try to change the conversation. After that, they just nothing-bumped Cartoon Monkey after over a month of it being dormant because it's on hold and will likely be discarded.

I don't mean to be a dick or anything but they legitimately don't seem to understand that everyone else is uninterested in this subject and wants to actually fix the problem. I had to explain to them like five times what the thread's discussion was even about, and they still misinterpreted me.

I'm bringing it here because the Stock Animal stuff heavily concerns TLP behavior and draft creation, and this echoes how it took them getting suspended for the whole "don't create stubs" message to sink in. I'll bring it up at ATT if it's better there.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 23rd 2022 at 7:09:20 AM

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themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#1074: Oct 23rd 2022 at 4:17:13 PM

[up] Of note is that they've had two suspensions in the past, both TLP-related.

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MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#1075: Oct 24th 2022 at 10:22:50 PM

Late but since this has been reoccurring issue for too long, Edna Walker has been brought to the EB thread because problematic forum and TLP behavior.

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