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Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#326: Jan 18th 2023 at 9:11:19 AM

I prefer the term "with disabilities" over "disabled" and definitely over "handicapped."

I even prefer the term "differently abled" over "with disabilities" but it would present new ambiguity.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Jan 18th 2023 at 12:12:07 PM

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#327: Jan 18th 2023 at 10:22:36 AM

A lot of people do not prefer "with disabilities" or "differently abled". it turns out disabilities aren't a monolith, who knew

"Disabled" versus "with disabilities" seems to be approximately a function of which disability is involved, while in our experience "differently abled" is often regarded as condescendingly euphemistic.

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#328: Jan 18th 2023 at 10:45:58 AM

Made further tweaks to the OP to point towards Trope Renaming Guidelines. I want people to read that first and come here with arguments stronger than "I personally do not like this word".

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#329: Jan 18th 2023 at 1:46:24 PM

I'd prioritise Evil Cripple and Genius Cripple over "handicapped". "Cripple" has been regarded as a pejorative since the 1970s, and while I've heard people who want to reclaim it, I don't know that that's really stuck. (It seems like a lot of the relevant citations about it are pretty outdated themselves.)

Edited by Noaqiyeum on Jan 18th 2023 at 10:03:58 AM

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dookamatic Since: Jan, 2022 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#330: Jan 28th 2023 at 10:45:28 AM

For Schizophrenic Difficulty, I'd like to suggest the alternate names "Difficulty Flip-Flop" or "Inconsistent Difficulty." I personally think having the word "schizophrenic" in there isn't helpful in defining the trope, and just leads to unnecessary confusion. It would be like if Flip-Flop of God were called "Schizophrenic God" in my opinion.

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#331: Jan 28th 2023 at 10:48:59 AM

"just leads to unnecessary confusion", evidence is needed.

"Schizophrenic" to me also associates with "chaotic", which is what the trope is about.

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#332: Feb 1st 2023 at 11:50:34 AM

IIRC, "schizophrenic" being used as a synonym for "disjointed" or "chaotic" is increasingly looked down upon as ableist, so I'd say it fits the "offensive" part.

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#333: Feb 2nd 2023 at 5:26:33 PM

From what I know, it's considered ableist to use schizophrenic in that sense and I personally can see why. Granted, I don't have schizophrenia myself so I'm not the best judge of that.

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#334: Feb 2nd 2023 at 7:28:58 PM

I don't know any other meaning of Schizophrenia beside "an illness that causes the irrational recognition, thought process, movements or behavior", but if that's wrong then I apologize.

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#335: Feb 2nd 2023 at 11:05:31 PM

[up]That's the basic gist of it, but it's more about using the names of conditions as generic adjectives (similarly to how people used "autistic" as a generic insult for ages).

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PhantomDusclops92 Nitpicky Nitwit from Italy Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
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#336: Feb 3rd 2023 at 2:57:35 PM

What about Difficulty Rollercoaster? Or it would be considered a snowclone of Cerebus Rollercoaster?

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#337: Feb 3rd 2023 at 4:43:11 PM

[up] I don't think that'd be a snowclone. "Rollercoaster" is a pretty common term for something constantly changing.

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#340: Feb 4th 2023 at 4:31:32 AM

If we're going to rename Schizophrenic Difficulty, I'd like to toss Uneven Difficulty into the mix of potential names

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#341: Feb 4th 2023 at 8:15:50 AM

So, if we do end up renaming tropes like Schizophrenic Difficulty for having outdated names that contain offensive words, how do we go about taking them to the TRS? A trope's name being offensive is rarely enough for it be renamed on its own, so we would need to check usage with a wick check as the mod note on the pinned thread states.

However, if the wick check shows that the trope isn't being misused, I am not sure if we can take it TRS as things stand now. I am not against Schizophrenic Difficulty being renamed. I just want to know what the procedure would in the event that the trope's name is the only thing problematic about it.

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#342: Feb 4th 2023 at 9:01:19 AM

I could be dead wrong as I was not around/posting regularly when it happened, but wasn't the problem with Hot Gypsy Woman that there was no other name that worked for its concept? If Schizophrenic Difficulty has a better name, would that argument still apply?

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#343: Feb 4th 2023 at 9:08:05 AM

[up] No.

I think the main argument would instead cite our policy of Prescriptive vs. Descriptive Language.

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#345: Feb 4th 2023 at 1:09:23 PM

A wick check would not be necessary or helpful for a TRS thread about Schizophrenic Difficulty if the issue is that the name is offensive. I dislike the mentality that every TRS thread needs a wick check.

Edited by rjd1922 on Feb 4th 2023 at 3:11:06 AM

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#346: Feb 4th 2023 at 1:10:48 PM

But if a wick check finds misuse, there's a stronger case to rename. Just do one, it won't hurt.

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#347: Feb 4th 2023 at 1:12:42 PM

If we change the name to better reflect how people would describe the concept nowadays, I don't really see any prescription in that. We're just going off how people already communicate.

And a wick check wouldn't hurt, either.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Feb 4th 2023 at 3:13:11 AM

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#348: Feb 4th 2023 at 1:13:28 PM

Sandbox.Schizophrenic Difficulty Wick Check <— if anyone wants to do it.

EDIT: Eh, created it anyway. Grabbed 50 random wicks from a list randomizer—will crosspost to the Wick Check thread.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Feb 4th 2023 at 4:29:41 AM

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#349: Feb 4th 2023 at 4:21:09 PM

I doubt Schizophrenic Difficulty would go the way of Hot Gypsy Woman; some reasonable names have been brainstormed here, even if we technically should have waited for the TRS thread.

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#350: Feb 4th 2023 at 5:28:59 PM

Was Schizo Tech already mentioned in the thread?

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