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fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#426: Aug 5th 2022 at 10:20:43 PM

[up] Because Medroa isn’t light-elemental, it’s destruction-elemental.

Cozzer Since: Mar, 2015
#427: Aug 6th 2022 at 1:22:14 AM

I can't remember if they've already explained the reason, but Mystvearn has different weaknesses depending on his form (he was only weak to light in his normal mode).

That said, everything is weak to Medroa

fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#429: Aug 13th 2022 at 7:34:05 AM

Episode 90: We’re still left hanging on Mystvearn’s true identity. I still maintain he’s an aspect of Vearn; hell, the old geezer might also only be an aspect and the real Dark King is the face in the clouds.

Killvearn literally meaning “kill Vearn” was hilarious. Not a fan of how his fight with Avan concluded with yet more asspulls.

Cozzer Since: Mar, 2015
#430: Aug 14th 2022 at 3:29:11 AM

Personally, I liked the glove gambit (it feels right for such an item and spell to exist in this world, and it fits in Avan's new style, based on getting the most out of relatively simple spells and items). I also loved the blade gambit at the very end. But yeah, the thing with Hadlar's ashes protecting him wasn't the best.

In any case, I love how straightforward Killvearn's name is too.

It's funny how the translators feel the need to change every single English attack name.

Edited by Cozzer on Aug 14th 2022 at 12:29:47 PM

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#431: Aug 14th 2022 at 5:47:53 AM

Its because they are trying to follow the Dragon Quest games, which I believe have different names for the English spells in the dubs from the Japanese games and Dai.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#432: Aug 14th 2022 at 7:10:23 AM

Popped off when Avan revealed himself. And Hadlar's ashes saving Avan from a second Megante felt very poetic.

I assumed Killvearn's true face would be the same as Mystvearn's, but with the reveal that he was sent by another figure in the Underworld (a wild thing to introduce 10 episodes from the end) it seems that isn't the case.

So Myst is Vearn in some way, and Vearn unable to be killed while Myst is still around. I assume Mystvearn is going to be Vearn's past self somehow suspended in place with the time spell or something like that. That's why he's stronger than Vearn physically, since he's in the prime of his life, while Vearn has greater magic power since he has more wisdom.

fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#433: Aug 14th 2022 at 7:58:20 AM

[up][up][up] I thought Avan’s blade gambit was pointless, because Killvearn would have died in the fire anyway.

The glove gambit was indeed in line with Avan’s style, I just hope it’s been alluded to before. Or maybe the sand is a thing in the games?

[up] Yeah, looking likely Myst is Vearn’s past self, somehow. Or maybe a clone of Vearn? Oh well, we’ll know next episode I guess.

fishysaur Good for nothing Since: May, 2018
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#434: Aug 14th 2022 at 9:13:53 AM

I personally didn't mind the glove thing because, since Avan is a former hero (and thus one with a miriad of abilities) and we know very little about him, I was expecting him to use some kind of ability we aren't aware of (never played the games, so I'm not sure if the authors made it out or not) and felt that Hadlar's ashes somehow protecting him, while baffling, is indeed poetic

But I truly love how he wins by literally warning the enemy "careful, if you do one more step, you die"

I agree, it's hilarious that Kill-Vearn's name is literally his mission.

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Cozzer Since: Mar, 2015
#435: Aug 14th 2022 at 9:37:37 AM

Regarding the glove gambit, Avan had already used that spell before to reach Dai and friends, showing that it's a "true" teleportation to where your party is (while Lura is more like a super-fast flight to a predetermined location). The sand is new, though it would definitely be a pretty useful item in a jRPG

Regarding the blade gambit, I liked it because it means Avan's offer of pity was genuine. Had Killvearn not betrayed him, Avan would have actually let him live. The difference from just letting Killvearn die in flames was that Avan gave him a real chance to survive

fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#436: Aug 14th 2022 at 9:59:33 AM

Yeah we knew about Zip. The sand is the weird thing.

Can’t say I agree about Avan giving Killvearn a chance to survive, when they talked about having to be ready to kill beforehand.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#437: Aug 14th 2022 at 10:35:59 AM

I mean. He WAS ready to kill and he did [lol] And didn't take extra damage or something, he 100% predicted how he was gonna act.

Edited by SpookyMask on Aug 14th 2022 at 8:36:57 PM

Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#438: Aug 14th 2022 at 4:24:43 PM

Yeah he was sure Killvearn would try and backstab. But he gave him a chance in case he didn’t.

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#439: Aug 19th 2022 at 7:53:46 PM

It figures Maam would be the one to end up possessed because she decided to try and punch something everyone literally just said was not a physical being. And then to add further insult to injury, Hyunckel was the real target all along, because even a supposedly-crippled and broken Hyunckel is far more valuable than Maam. Sigh. Well, hopefully the Dai vs Vearn runback-runback will provide the real entertainment.

I feel like I've been annoyed pretty frequently with this last arc, compared to the rest of the show. It's still good, but so many stupid things keep piling up that irk me.

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#440: Aug 19th 2022 at 8:16:48 PM

TBF, it's been a plot point for the whole story that Mystvearn has a whole weird thing about his former student. Of course he'd be after Hyunkel's body specifically.

What's precedent ever done for us?
fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#441: Aug 19th 2022 at 9:59:42 PM

So yeah, we finally see Vearn’s final phase. His boss theme rocks.

I’m mostly fine with the fight with Myst, I mostly think that Maam getting taken out is annoying because she hasn’t really done anything impressive in this arc. But in isolation it makes sense for Myst to go after Hyunckel, further reinforcing that bringing Hyunckel along was a bad idea. Now Crocodine, Avan and the rest have to face a Dark Warrior with lots of Dark Aura and Hyunckel’s plot bullshittery.

The dialogue was unintentionally funny this episode.

Larhart: “Sorry Maam we have to destroy you to destroy Myst”
Crocodine: “Stop! You might hurt Maam!”
Larhart: “Did I stutter?”

EDIT: Also late reply to [up][up][up] and [up][up][up][up] but sparing Killvearn was still stupid, because Avan still gave him a chance to do something. Literally Killvearn could have Zoomed away, or maybe pulled something out of his ass again. It’s just particularly strange because they already talked about having to be decisive about killing.

Edited by fillerdude on Aug 19th 2022 at 10:09:04 AM

fishysaur Good for nothing Since: May, 2018
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#442: Aug 20th 2022 at 1:33:23 AM

[up][up]Exactly, Myst has basically been grooming Hyunkel to be his next host, kinda like Orochimaru, of course it's him that he wants

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fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#443: Aug 20th 2022 at 1:53:52 AM

However, Myst could have possessed Hyunckel without needing to do Maam dirty like that. And Maam only got possessed because she chose to grab the Idiot Ball at that moment. Reminds me of Popp’s stupid decision to chase after Hadlar.

Edited by fillerdude on Aug 20th 2022 at 1:54:02 AM

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#444: Aug 20th 2022 at 7:03:19 AM

Ah! So that's why Mystvearn was weak to light despite having a body that was immune to damage. That makes sense.

And it turns out Vearn legitimately could have died there. Splitting his body wasn't to make him unkillable, it was just a roundabout means of eternal youth.

Maam getting taken out like that sucks ass, but this possession business is a neat way to have Hyunckel involved in the final fight without going back on his retirement. I can forgive this if Maam gets back up and we get Maam vs Mysthyunckel. Their history together would make for a really dramatic fight.

Edited by Moth13 on Aug 20th 2022 at 10:15:27 AM

fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#445: Aug 20th 2022 at 8:06:58 AM

Mysthyunckel sounds like a horrible Ye Olde English kind of name you'd see in B-grade fantasy novels haha.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#446: Aug 26th 2022 at 8:54:45 PM

92 The true power of Vearn revealed! Getting three actions in one turn!

fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#447: Aug 26th 2022 at 8:56:32 PM

Episode 92: Myst cannot win against Hyunckel's powers of plot. Kind of funny how easily he's dusted. At least this frees up the rest of the party to help Dai with Vearn. I would seriously prefer all of Team Dai vs Vearn instead of a 1v1.

Cozzer Since: Mar, 2015
#448: Aug 27th 2022 at 1:58:59 AM

I love how Vearn's true form push the "two actions in a turn" thing further, and he gets three actions. It's a nice reference to the story's RPG roots that doesn't feel too out of place in anime land.

I also like how the fight with Myst ends, though I think they could have avoided the fake cliffhanger last episode. It's like with Dai and Baran against the bishop chess piece, in the manga it was a regular anti-climax that surprised you with how fast it went. Turning it into a regular cliffhanger makes the resolution feel disappointing, instead of a nice surprise.

fishysaur Good for nothing Since: May, 2018
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#449: Aug 27th 2022 at 11:39:11 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure everyone knew that Hyunkel would have defeated Myst-Vearn, the latter has always been his arch-enemy for having "corrupted" him. It's a pretty simple resolution with no big strategy but I think it fits well for both character's arcs.

Also, I find genuinely great the reveal that Myst-Vearn's true body is actually a lifeless copy of Vearn's young body. It's something near-impossible to predict (unless you reach Ohara's levels of theories) but it makes sense and, upon reread, you notice some small hints through the story, such as Myst being the one who taught Hyunkel how to move corpses. And now Vearn is even stronger by having a strong, young body and a wise mind.

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fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#450: Aug 28th 2022 at 12:48:06 AM

I wouldn’t say Mystvearn’s true body is all that unpredictable, though. The reveal wasn’t surprising.

Edited by fillerdude on Aug 28th 2022 at 12:48:39 PM


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