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VidExGuy I’m a space pirate, give me your moon rocks. Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#101: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:17:56 PM

[up] I don't know if this is exactly what you mean but I did make Mario Pissing into an actual works page. The thing is that works pages don't need mod approval.

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HeavyMetalHermitCrab Since: Sep, 2018
#102: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:20:49 PM

Regarding self-flagellating: I think it's also important to keep a bit of perspective. No one died. This isn't the end of the world. This too shall pass.

Breathe. Eat a snack. Exercise. Listen to music. Go outside. Poop.* Whatever you need to relax and get back to center.

Hating yourself for making a mistake isn't the same thing as learning from that mistake, nor is it at all helpful to become so cowed by your own shame that you become useless. Take your moment to grieve, get back up, and walk on.

(* Not all at once, and not necessarily in that exact order.)

ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
#103: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:21:10 PM

[up][up] Also you can't view TLP if you're logged off.

[down] I was quoted on Funny.TV Tropes.

Edited by ccorb on Sep 8th 2020 at 5:23:55 AM

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DookieIdiotNimrod Back by Unpopular Demand from An abandoned K-Mart Since: Mar, 2020 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
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#104: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:21:24 PM

Even though some of us were very early just to stop the making of Gay, we supported it by posting it on Forum Games and Yack Fests, joking about it in the forums, and commenting and bombing on the draft, making it a lot more popular.

I was about the 19th Bomb, but I still am a bit ashamed for all that has happened.

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#105: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:28:32 PM

Mostly I just responded to and helped build off of jokes other people were making; I didn't really post memes or anything. Because of that, I was trying to tell myself that maybe I would be okay because I didn't really post anything that bad. But a contribution is a contribution and I should've stopped myself from posting in the first place. But, what can ya do? I was bored and tired and the other site I would've been on randomly locked me out due to security concerns, so I had literally nothing else to do, and that also contributed to the problem. I wasn't thinking; I was just rolling with it.

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ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
#106: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:32:45 PM

[up] I admit what I did on the draft:

  • I threw my bomb when the bomb count was still in the single digits, and commented about wick checks.
  • I then added the "example" from The Simpsons where Homer thinks Uruguay is pronounced "U R Gay."
  • Later, I added a TV Tropes section with the "example" GAY PAREEEEEEEEE!!!!

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CustardAndPie Oh Captain!~ from in a tank 'bout to steal yo girl Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Remembering what Mama said
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#107: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:35:22 PM

I wasn't thinking either. I thought it was partially funny and partially horrifying (because that travesty of a draft got 5 hats before we vandalized it). I keep trying to convince myself I'm immune to mob mentality, but instances like this always prove me wrong. What's worse is I normally don't pull things like this, and yet I did because I thought it was funny and everyone else was doing it. Never again, that's for sure. I should've just bombed the draft and let it be.

Edited by CustardAndPie on Sep 8th 2020 at 4:36:15 AM

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VidExGuy I’m a space pirate, give me your moon rocks. Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#108: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:36:39 PM

Well since everyone else is confessing let me just say that I was absolutely one of the main contributors to the whole thing. I made a lot of memes and comments celebrating the "milestones" we had passed on it. Basically I was a concentrated example of everything that went wrong minus making actual gay jokes.

I even added a hat as a joke off me adding a hat to the Mario Pissing back when that was active. I took it back once people started pointing out to me that this seriously wasn't a good idea and since the draft was made in bad faith it shouldn't be given permission to launch even as a joke.

So yeah, hopefully the rest of you feel better about yourselves now.

Edited by VidExGuy on Sep 8th 2020 at 2:38:30 AM

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#109: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:38:03 PM

I added the incident to the Funny page because of the precedent from Mario Pissing, and I remember adding a jokey stinger in the comments that might have been weird (but was well-intentioned). All was having fun with gay-themed jokes as that's the sort of humor I throw around with other gay people. I never touched the draft content as I believed changing the content would give the wrong impression of why we bombed it to begin with.

I still find the situation funny in theory because of how batshit it got, but in practice it just makes us look very childish at best and offensive at worst. I thought it was okay because more seasoned TLP vets were into it (I've only been really active in the TLP and forums since June) and not acting mean spirited but it was so not the right way to go about things.

Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 8th 2020 at 5:39:54 AM

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#110: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:43:47 PM

Oh, and I added it to the Timeline/ (for the comment record) and edited the Funny/ example (to bring up a quote from Kappa that really tickled me).

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VidExGuy I’m a space pirate, give me your moon rocks. Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#111: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:46:29 PM

Wait a minute, why did we all just confess?

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ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
#112: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:47:44 PM

This is one big TV Tropes Breakfast Plot. We're suspended and getting to know each other.

Edited by ccorb on Sep 8th 2020 at 5:53:44 AM

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#113: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:47:59 PM

Because it feels good, I guess, to get things off our chest and to just explain our mindset?

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Van-San Since: Aug, 2020
#114: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:52:35 PM

I posted memes, too. I feel like the "Why are you gay?" one that I made was a bit too much tbh.

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CustardAndPie Oh Captain!~ from in a tank 'bout to steal yo girl Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Remembering what Mama said
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#115: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:54:05 PM

I admit to adding the example "This Troper is gay" in the Real Life section. Which is true, I am indeed gay, but I can see how my edit and the edits of others can be taken the wrong way.

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ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
#116: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:55:19 PM

[up] The Homer Simpson joke I posted in the draft was Fair for Its Day in 1996, but now, not so much.

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#117: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:56:01 PM

I am very glad that I did not edit the page, that would’ve just brought it over the edge.

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#118: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:57:17 PM

Didn't have a hand in any of the examples except when I jokingly claimed that bisexuality was the "downplayed" version of being gay- again, entirely tongue-in-cheek with no intention to offend, but I can see how it could be taken the wrong way. Other than that though I was mostly playing Forum Games by the time the draft started being edited.

Well, okay, I also joked about Wingedcatgirl's example not being nattery enough for a 2008 throwback example, but I didn't even know at that point we'd be attempting a page, so I was just making commentary on the state of the wiki back then.

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 8th 2020 at 5:58:24 AM

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#119: Sep 8th 2020 at 2:58:18 PM

It is amusing/sad to me how many of us referenced LGBT in-jokes as members of the community but it's hard to distinguish them from actual jokes at the expense of gay people. Especially because looking over the OP's edits, they already just were very passionate about listing the story of a gay character (even if they were also a bit rude and misunderstood our concerns).

[up]I brought up the Playing With idea to begin with but I didn't want it added to the draft proper; I was just highlighting how the draft just didn't work as a trope while also poking fun at some incorrect views about the LGBT community.

Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 8th 2020 at 6:00:31 AM

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Kevjro7 Susjection! Since: Jan, 2020
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#120: Sep 8th 2020 at 3:00:39 PM

I'm definitely the one who should be the most ashamed of this. I made the draft editable so I could add curly brackets to Useful Notes/Homosexual to make the link appear like this: Homosexual. All that did was make everything worse. The mods are busy people, and all we did was make their jobs even more stressful.

Awe921 eh Since: Jun, 2018
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#121: Sep 8th 2020 at 3:02:30 PM

i don't even remember 3/4 of the decisions i made during the 5T incident, i was genuinely so freakin tired i couldn't process half of the things i've done.

god, i SHOULD have went to sleep, not... do whatever the hell i just did that got me into this.

CustardAndPie Oh Captain!~ from in a tank 'bout to steal yo girl Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Remembering what Mama said
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#122: Sep 8th 2020 at 3:03:14 PM

If anything good came out of this incident, it brought to light how severely flawed the current TLP system is. If it weren't for the 3-day wait that draft could've easily been launched by either the draft's author or someone who didn't know any better, all because it had 5 hats. Among other things, of course.

Edited by CustardAndPie on Sep 8th 2020 at 5:03:45 AM

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#123: Sep 8th 2020 at 3:04:13 PM

Yeah, the draft jumpstarted the thread about Hats and Bombs, which is one silver lining. It brought the TLP issues to light in a way where even non-regulars had to confront them.

Edit: It's pertinent to say that I also live on the East Coast. My posts about being super tired? Yeah, those were all genuine. I was absolutely exhausted but forced myself to stay up because I didn't want to go to sleep while the chaos was unfolding.

Should've trusted my gut. Should've gone to sleep. I never actually did. I couldn't physically fall asleep. It sucked.

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 8th 2020 at 6:05:45 AM

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Kappaclystica Since: Jan, 2019
#124: Sep 8th 2020 at 3:04:23 PM

[up][up][up] That's called Troping Under the Influence, I believe. Given how late it was on the East Coast, I think that could be a partial explanation for the incident.

Edited by Kappaclystica on Sep 8th 2020 at 3:04:50 AM

PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#125: Sep 8th 2020 at 3:05:26 PM

I made a single edit to Funny.TV Tropes, which was the fact that the draft had the most comments in TLP history. The whole Serious Business angle we went on this made it impossible to tell if we were joking or not.


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