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Yeah you can cut the Batman example. GoldenEye (1997) alone is proof that not all licensed tie-ins were awful. Also, I personally approve of adding the disclaimer, if it can keep out misuse, though I don't know if others would. Thoughts?
Yes, those do have to go as well if the genres are still alive. Though I could see people being confused if the description says "these often aren't permanent." Perhaps that section could be deleted? We do have Genre Relaunch for genres that came back.
Yeah that example can go as well. The entry itself says a Genre Relaunch occurred thanks to Joker, so that is the trope that entry should be on if it is not already there.
I will keep that in mind, thanks. I don't think that the CA movies damaged the reputation of the site/the Walkers, however, as their downfall occurred as a result of the whole Change the Channel fiasco. (An argument might be able to be made about the review of The Wall, however, as I distinctly recall that most of the Critic's defenders that were still around left after that disaster.)
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Sep 26th 2020 at 11:31:00 AM
Got it, they're gone. Whle we're at it, there should be a disclaimer at the top of each page warning people that examples don't really count of they experienced a Genre Relaunch later in time, as that's not really what a "Genre Killer" is
I'd be open to that, but I think there should be more discussion first. Anyone else have other thoughts?
That doesn't really seem like a good idea. For a Genre Relaunch to exist, there must be a reason the genre needed relaunching in the first place - and while it's true there isn't always a single specific cause, trying to draw a distinction between permanent and temporary genre 'killers' seems excessive.
I would think that genres that experience a Genre Relaunch would have a Genre-Killer.
Alright so based on discussion here the disclaimer should not be added. I guess that means we should get back to cleaning up misuse.
Yeah his review of The Wall counts more as a Creator Killer. Most of the people I saw who defended him through the Change the Channel controversy gave up on him after that. Nowadays, outside of his dwindling core fanbase, a good part of the internet considers him a laughingstock.
These Trivia.Cant Stop The Music entried are quite the doozy...
Edited by PlasmaPower on Sep 30th 2020 at 9:31:53 AM
The Nancy Walker one might count, but the rest can all go. Much of it consists of either "this killed it, but there were other factors" and "this killed it, until it came back." Chainsaw all but the Nancy Walker bit, and even then let's see if there are any second opinions about keeping it.
Found this on Film:
Firstly, the entry itself says that the genre was revived in The '90s, meaning Airplane! did not kill the genre. The second part describes the genre dying not because of a work, but because of real-life events, which might fit Distanced from Current Events better. And then it says that the genre came back again. Any second thoughts before I cut?
It would better to just rewrite that one and move it to Popularity Polynomial.
Edited by J79 on Sep 30th 2020 at 9:08:27 AM
Alright, I tried my hand at a Popularity Polynomial rewrite:
How did I do? Any things I should rewrite before I post?
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Oct 1st 2020 at 7:46:32 AM
Have we actually decided that works can't be Genre Killers if the genre was later revived? I thought we decided the opposite.
Mixed. Some have said yes, some have said no. I have no idea.
I think it's slightly redundant to have Genre Relaunch examples on both itself and Genre-Killer, though.
We need more discussion on what qualifies for the Killer tropes IMO.
Alright I will post the Popularity Polynomial rewrite and remove the Genre-Killer example as that was the only response I was given to that example.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Oct 3rd 2020 at 9:53:03 AM
Also I found this bizarre example on Film:
What is the entry even trying to say? What "genre" was killed? This example is just weirdly worded and bizarre.
Bumping to get some help with the above example.
I agree that it's very unclear what "genre" was supposedly killed. Looks like an easy cut to me.
Thanks for the help. Example has been removed
This just got added to Genre-Killer:
What? How did the genre get killed? Is it even a genre to begin with? Before I cut this example I would like some second thoughts.
Bumping for help with the above example
Did they? I thought the Saturday Morning Cartoon died because of competition from cable networks like Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network. I certainly don't think "Pro Stars" did it, as I've barely heard of the show.
Seems like some stealth complaining. You can cut it.
The Other Wiki has a bullet-pointed list of eight contributing factors to the decline of Saturday morning cartoons, and weirdly, none of them are pair of relatively obscure series.
Cut, burn, load ashes into rocket, fire rocket into the sun.
IIRC a big factor was the 1990 Children's Television Care (which banned a lot of advertising sources that made those blocks profitable) and networks using it as a pretext to dump cartoons for more profitable programming. Either way it definitely wasn't caused by a specific show lol
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How well does it match the trope?