>Speaking of that, I was assuming that was a show Deku watched, and he seems to at least know of what her public history is, so it can'd be that long ago, right?
We know Izuku watches old videos. hell, he watched All Might's debut, which would've happened nearly 30 years ago when he watched it.
Anyway, we don't know exactly when the vigilante era ended. We do know that the age of chaos only really ended with All Might becoming the Symbol of Peace, and that AFO ruled until the last few years before his downfall.
It isn't said that she is from the age of vigilantes, she said she was operating at a time when vigilante-Heroes was being looked upon more favorable. That could be at any time, since we don't know when the public started accepting vigilantes more than before. Could just as well be when the spin-off series was going on, a few years before the series begins.
>Another thing, how come the hero public safety commission already existed if legal heroes were just getting started, then?
It's know as the hero public safety commission today, but it probably existed in some form since the dawn of quirks if not longer. it's jobs are tied to keeping the peace in general, not just heroism.
So the HPSC at one point was probably just the PSC.
> she said she was operating at a time when vigilante-Heroes was being looked upon more favorable.
AFAIK Vigilantes says this was pretty much synonymous, that legalizing the vigilantes was how heroism was started. But it could be that she means something else, that heroism in japan was more dire necessity than appreciation of vigilantes.
Edited by devak on May 27th 2021 at 11:36:24 AM
I wonder if this lady deliberately took Overhaul with the idea of using him as a human shield.
Also, she may not realize it, but taking him and forcing Deku to choose between saving him and letting him die to test his fake heroism may in fact be a more fitting test than she knows.
I'm pretty sure she knows nothing of what Overhaul did to Eri or how he killed Sir. Nighteye, which means she has no idea how personal things with Overhaul are for Deku.
When Deku chooses to save him anyway, despite all that, it may shake her faith a little.
One Strip! One Strip!A coup is like an assassination. The goal is to win before the enemy even realizes there is a fight.
Now, it'll be interesting to find out the backstory on the Public Safety Commission. Are they a case of He Who Fights Monsters, or were they always corrupt?
> AFAIK Vigilantes says this was pretty much synonymous, that legalizing the vigilantes was how heroism was started. But it could be that she means something else, that heroism in japan was more dire necessity than appreciation of vigilantes.
I don't think this is what she meant, looking at the spoilers, it is too long ago and we have no reason to believe Nagant is a century old. It seems more like it was during a time period when people stopped caring about the illegality of vigilantism as much, which made me think the spin-off set before the start of the main series, where most average people either ignores or humors the Cruller and friends most of the time.
I mean, they were up against an almost unbeatable figure in AFO, so getting more desperate and extreme makes sense from that standpoint.
How am I an extremist when frankly speaking, I don't give a shit about this kind of shit outside of writing a narrative? Real life, I can tell you that outside of having to wear a mask when I leave the house, my life during COVID is no different from my life before COVID! That I'm largely just jaded to the world overall!
I feel like I have to actively remind people I'm just a misanthrope, not a damn anarchist!
...And yes, before anyone has to ask, I am actually angry this time! Namely at the insinuation I'm a damn extremist, when I'm largely just talking about the narrative of a series! The system In-Universe is broken, corrupt, and already burning to the ground, so why wouldn't I support letting it burn so a new one can be built from the ashes?!
I'm a cynical, misanthropic, semi-nihilistic, son of a bitch, but I'm not a damn extremist, and I find it insulting to in any way compare to the absolute pathetic excuse for a human being Eren Yeager.
Edited by RebelFalcon on May 28th 2021 at 9:51:43 AM
Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.1: the quality or state of being extreme
2: advocacy of extreme measures or views : RADICALISM
I'm not sure if you are aware of what "extremist" means but your ideas 100% qualify as extremist. You say you don't pursue it, but at the same time say you'd allow it to happen.
"it's just a fact of life" is your own personal belief, because i sure as hell don't agree. The idea that change can only happen through bloodshed, and that the death of innocents is an acceptable price is also just plain ahistorical.
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"It seems more like it was during a time period when people stopped caring about the illegality of vigilantism as much, which made me think the spin-off set before the start of the main series, where most average people either ignores or humors the Cruller and friends most of the time."
Mmm now that you mention it, it seems an obvious Vigilantes reference. There definitely seems to have been a shift between the Vigilantes timeline and the main story, in terms of how vigilantes are treated (e.g heroes being pretty tolerant of vigilantes versus nowadays where the practice is heavily discouraged)
Okay, so I've seen some raws now, and when it talks about vigilantes being hailed as heroes or whatever, a bunch of silhouettes guys appear, and one of them is Yoroi Musha, so what the hell.
There's also a cameo from a young Hillary Clinton cousin already working at the commission back when Nagant was still in middle school, so Nagant has to be younger than her.
The timeline keeps getting more confusing, but Nagant being in her forties is what makes more sense right now.
I feel like the impact of revealing HPSC to be the worst is kind of blunted by the fact that the organization was already demolished prior to Nagant's exposition and the fact that Hawks turned out to be a relatively decent guy. Still, that's about what was expected from the Hero Commission: this end-justifies-the-means mentality that smacks down nails sticking out. (to that end, I respect the chutzpah of the old Chairman in trying to pull a gun on Nagant; at least he practiced what he preached) Nagant was a cog in the machine, doing as she was told, until she just couldn't put together the public image of a peppy pro-hero and the grim reality of being the Comission's hitman.
It seems the likes of Muscular or Moonfish were lucky to be active at a time when HPSC relaxed their stance on preemptive murder (though Moonfish was on death row, so at this point I don't know).
Of course, Nagant is wrong in thinking that AFO's reign would be any better than the current Hero Society and she's wrong in that the Hero Society is "fake" (though it is brittle, seeing that All Might's retirement is why we have this mess to begin with), but that's mindset from being inured in the grim underbelly of the shining glamour and then being left to rot in Tartarus. And, presumably, AFO would just kill her on the spot should she refuse to cooperate.
Anyway, looks like we're headed for Izuku taking a bullet for Overhaul next chapter. Still seems like a lot of work from Nagant just for a glorified hostage, but if there's one way to shake her faith in her beliefs is to have Deku get shot for a man whose guts he hates.
Edited by FergardStratoavis on May 28th 2021 at 3:39:02 PM
At least we might be able to see what Overhaul's quirk has evolved into after he lost his arms...
...oh dear lord...
...what if, just a "what if", Deku takes the bullet, lands in front of Overhaul, and when the broken man asks for seeing the Boss again, Izuku tells him that "he know where he is" and Overhaul, finally starting to snap out from his trance, puts his bare foot down on the bullet wound on Izuku and heals it up, using his quirk through his feet, in order to have Izuku honor that promise.
And then Nagant accuses Izuku of "taking advantage of a broken victim", only for Izuku to tell her off and insist that he does know, which Overhaul can agree on as well, since, well, they did duke it out back there.
The irony in all of this and symbolism is too good to pass up.
Want proof? Here.
How am I an extremist when frankly speaking, I don't give a shit about this kind of shit outside of writing a narrative? Real life, I can tell you that outside of having to wear a mask when I leave the house, my life during COVID is no different from my life before COVID! That I'm largely just jaded to the world overall!
I feel like I have to actively remind people I'm just a misanthrope, not a damn anarchist!
...And yes, before anyone has to ask, I am actually angry this time! Namely at the insinuation I'm a damn extremist, when I'm largely just talking about the narrative of a series! The system In-Universe is broken, corrupt, and already burning to the ground, so why wouldn't I support letting it burn so a new one can be built from the ashes?!
I'm a cynical, misanthropic, semi-nihilistic, son of a bitch, but I'm not a damn extremist, and I find it insulting to in any way compare to the absolute pathetic excuse for a human being Eren Yeager.
Call it closer to apathy, but I don't condone this shit, I just can't bring myself to care, since for me, trying to care is just gonna send me to an early grave.
You wanna call me an extremist? Bite me. I come to these threads to not be forced to think about this shit and just embrace a piece of media, and yet the moment I point out what it looks like the story is going for, I get accused of supporting this bullshit in real life... Well Screw This, I'm Outta Here!
Edited by RebelFalcon on May 28th 2021 at 10:20:00 AM
Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.I can only guess that is because they tried indoctrinating him from a young age, whereas Lady Nagant was older than him when she started.
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Actually, he dragged out the killing of Twice for way longer than necessary (which got him crippled and gave Dabi his new mixtape) because he couldn't bring himself up to just straight up ice him. It's interesting because despite knowing that Hawks was Hero Commission's hitman, he still went out of his way to try and get Twice to come peacefully for rehab.
He went about it in the worst possible way, but it's an effort that other heroes, pros or fledglings, just didn't make before.
Well most Heroes just don't go straight for the kill. If Hawks was able to, I'm sure he would have preferred to take in Twice alive, but the situation just didn't call for it and when his hand was forced, he had no choice but to go for the kill.
Interestingly, its actually the first time that the series has acknowledged the idea of "saving" a villain before Deku was confronted with it, so that's pretty clever retroactive Foreshadowing.
Because what happens when a villain doesn't want the hero's help?
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

Revealing that All Might is, at minimum, 55 years old has really made the timeline of this series unpossible.