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Rabbitearsblog Movie and TV Goddess from United States Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Movie and TV Goddess
#176: May 23rd 2023 at 7:28:14 PM

Glad that SEGA is digging back into their older I Ps besides Sonic nowadays.

I love animation, TV, movies, YOU NAME IT!
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#177: May 24th 2023 at 6:37:02 AM

[up] Ditto.

It's getting to a point where they're looking into making movies from other non-Sonic IP.

I have to say, if we got an animated Skies of Arcadia movie styled after Puss in Boots: The Last Wish or Cartoon Saloon, I'd be telling them to shut up and take my money almost immediately.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#178: May 24th 2023 at 6:48:30 AM

Skies of Arcadia would make for the greatest animated kids show of a generation. Cel shade it, make it two seasons, and it'd be amazing.

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#180: Jul 4th 2023 at 12:08:32 PM

Can't get the thing to load. A tl;dr would be appreciated.

Considering this was around the Sega Saturn's North American launch I am very interested in what it says.

Edited by Karxrida on Jul 4th 2023 at 12:09:30 PM

BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#181: Jul 4th 2023 at 12:38:45 PM

Here's the archive.org link, which hopefully will be an easier load the the PDF file itself

Basically its Sega of America during fiscal year 1997 detailing business plans, overall brand strategy, consumer research, budgets, merchandise, upcoming software, and so forth.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#182: Jul 4th 2023 at 12:41:46 PM

A tl;dr isn't really possible. Its hundreds of pages of internal communication and hard numbers.

electricmastro Since: Apr, 2015
#183: Jul 4th 2023 at 1:46:36 PM

Keeping up to date with Nintendo as well (page 87):

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/5d20feb0_ef61_43e6_aea7_a11cd70f79bb.png

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#184: Jul 10th 2023 at 12:26:18 PM

SEGA of America is officially unionized! grin

Now they need to hammer out a contract with SEGA itself.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 10th 2023 at 3:26:27 PM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#185: Jul 10th 2023 at 12:43:03 PM

Sonic Sez: Proper working conditions are way past cool.

Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks Marathon
AzureSeas Since: Jan, 2011
#186: Jul 10th 2023 at 12:59:17 PM

Kids, there's nothing more cool than working in an occupation that you like. But if someone tries to force you to work in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable, that's no good! It's your body! No one has the right to work you in ways you don't want to! So what do you do? First, you say no, then you get outta there! Most importanty, you gotta tell someone you trust, like your loved ones, a union, or a proper agency.

:p

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#187: Jul 10th 2023 at 2:29:43 PM

That works a little too well.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#188: Jul 11th 2023 at 1:59:55 AM

I watched someone go over the SEGA papers on stream and do their best to summarize the contents. Mostly, it just shows how absolutely screwed they were when the Saturn rolled out. The 32X/SEGA CD were monumentally disastrous sales-wise. Speeding up the release of the Saturn to make up for their losses basically sealed their fate.

They didn't learn anything, though. They were working on an add-on called the SEGA Pluto to add on-line functionality until it was clear nothing could save the Saturn.

Mostly stuff we already knew or assumed. But now we know how much plastic was left to rot in their warehouses

Edited by Zeromaeus on Jul 11th 2023 at 5:02:12 AM

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#189: Jul 11th 2023 at 2:01:33 AM

Is there a VOD or YouTube upload of that stream?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#191: Jul 11th 2023 at 2:04:08 AM

When I was much younger I knew someone who had a Sega Genesis and had a 32x as well. Even as a kid I was wondering what exactly it did to improve the games.

Never had the misfortune of playing a Sega CD game though.

Edited by M84 on Jul 11th 2023 at 5:04:37 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#192: Jul 11th 2023 at 2:17:57 AM

Between the two, the CD was the far more successful peripheral. The 32X had no good reason to exist.

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#193: Jul 11th 2023 at 2:40:11 AM

The CD has a bunch of good games, too. The 32X has like. Two tops?

[up]x3 Many thanks.

Edited by Karxrida on Jul 11th 2023 at 2:40:33 AM

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#194: Jul 11th 2023 at 4:39:42 AM

The narrative is a lot clearer now on how much fault to put with SoA regarding events. Quite a bit, honestly. The popular narrative usually ran as some flavor of "we did great with the Genesis and then SoJ forced the Saturn out early for no good reason." But they were really at the point where the company needed to push to make any kind of profit. Sell-through for all of their American products had entirely bottomed out.

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#195: Jul 11th 2023 at 6:01:26 AM

Pretty sure the 32X was on some level SoJ's fault, though.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#196: Jul 11th 2023 at 10:19:25 AM

It was SoA pushing back against moving on to the Saturn that led to the development of the 32X.

...in America, they didn’t want to go in that direction. The Genesis had been so successful, and third-parties were still in the middle of developing games for it. Therefore, before releasing a next-generation 3D-capable console, they wanted to release an enhancer for the Genesis that would boost its capabilities.

This is where things got messy. Since we wouldn’t be able to release the Saturn in America, I was told to go there and help resolve the situation. I had just joined Sega at the beginning of July 1993, and by the middle of July, I flew out to Sega of America. I still didn’t have a good understanding of the game industry, so I was just going to listen to what they had to say.

I met with Sega of America president Tom Kalinske and head of software development Joe Miller. They told me that there was no way they could abandon the incredible success of the Genesis.

To quote former SEGA president Irimajiri.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#197: Jul 13th 2023 at 9:12:52 AM

TIL we got some clarification on the cliffhanger ending to Ecco: Tides of Time and why Ecco went back to the time of Atlantis.

A Twitter post clarified the game would be about the Altantans' war with the Vortex, with Ecco going back to their time to help.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#198: Jul 16th 2023 at 11:19:31 AM

Finally had a chance to watch/listen to the VOD posted earlier.

Still haven't finished it, but the thing that sticks out most to me is that about 800,000 32X systems were made, about half sold during the launch window, and then the thing fell off like a rock. Sega had to sit on the rest of their stock until they pawned off the rest of the units for basically nothing. Also, lots of stock issues in general (mostly surpluses) and a few game cancellations at the time the document was made.

Edited by Karxrida on Jul 16th 2023 at 11:20:44 AM

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#199: Jul 16th 2023 at 8:21:34 PM

The stock overages and sales drops were a two-fold problem. Because sell-through matters far more than what they sold directly to stores. SoA would sell as much product as they could, stores were unable to sell them, and then they returned the product to SEGA with a full refund.

So some of the great financial successes that SoA were reporting were reversing entirely as consumers rejected what they were putting on shelves.

And as the Saturn rolled out, stores were not incentivised to even stock the thing. Their profit cut was ludicrously small. If I remember correctly, stores made about $20 per Saturn sold. They got more of a cut from the SEGA Pico.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Jul 16th 2023 at 11:24:12 AM

SoaringStarman Since: Jul, 2023
#200: Jul 18th 2023 at 7:38:02 PM

Is this the first Sega game on a Nintendo system?

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/2393_front.jpg


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