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crazysamaritan MOD NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#101: Jan 25th 2021 at 3:43:52 PM

It's gone down to 7:12, so closing the Crowner.

Edited by crazysamaritan on Jan 25th 2021 at 6:44:01 AM

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#102: Jan 25th 2021 at 6:24:31 PM

Like I said, we need a better method of declaring video-example bans beyond a few people on a thread thinking it's a good idea. That might've been one of the issues with the merge idea, at least it was for me.

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#103: Jan 25th 2021 at 7:40:50 PM

[up]Do you have any suggestions for how to do it better?

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#104: Jan 25th 2021 at 7:47:24 PM

Well...

  • Instead of just having a handful of tropers make the decisions, a crowner system would be good.
  • Though we already have 3 threads dedicated to the examples, a separate thread for "No Video Examples Please" declarations would be useful here. The Quality Control thread is too slow and poorly advertised to make such claims, especially since we have no way of actually enforcing anything beyond asking the mods to remove videos.
  • Lastly, we need to determine better, more objective criteria for the bans beyond just "trope is gory". Banning videos for very subjective reasons seems to be leading to a slippery slope where people keep proposing we ban certain tropes simply for being a little bloody. I'm not saying we should embrace gore-trope videos, but we need a better, more objective way to decide these things.

The first tropes banned (Epileptic Flashing Lights, Potty Failure, Nocturnal Emission, Jump Scare) were done so with the agreement of Nombretomado, who then allowed for us to try and enforce the rule. After that it just became a pattern of people going "Hey, this trope shouldn't have videos" "I agree" "Alright it's banned".

I might be a little personally frustrated with this since I've had some objections and arguments completely ignored, and that shouldn't happen when it comes to things this big. I'm not saying I'm always right, but to have my points go completely unacknowledged made me realize just how much the current system doesn't work.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 25th 2021 at 10:50:00 AM

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#105: Jan 26th 2021 at 2:43:01 AM

Frankly, my personal preference would be to ditch all video bans save for these four and have a system to add new ones.

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#106: Jan 26th 2021 at 2:52:13 AM

[up] Agree. [up][up]Maybe Sensory Abuse too?

Edited by callmeamuffin on Jan 26th 2021 at 8:59:07 PM

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#107: Jan 26th 2021 at 3:11:53 AM

I agree. I think we should think carefully on which videos to ban. The first 4 banned videos shall stay. All in favour for a No Video Examples Please thread to discuss which tropes should be banned from having video examples?

Edited by Agent2583 on Jan 26th 2021 at 11:15:15 AM

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Miss_Desperado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YD2i1FzUYA from somewhere getting rained on by Puget Sound Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#109: Jan 26th 2021 at 9:50:05 AM

I like that [up][up] idea too.

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#110: Jan 26th 2021 at 11:18:33 AM

[up][up][up] Sure, why not? I feel like Anal Probing is a particularly questionable entry.

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#111: Jan 26th 2021 at 11:23:22 AM

Yes, please. We need more discussion on this. The first few (Sensory Abuse was one I did forget about) are keepable as we had mod approval.

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LaundryPizza03 Maintenance? from Texas Since: Aug, 2020
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#112: Jan 26th 2021 at 12:28:02 PM

Wrong thread.

Edited by LaundryPizza03 on Jan 26th 2021 at 2:28:25 PM

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#113: Jan 26th 2021 at 3:07:23 PM

Maybe all the tropes which don't have mod approval for no video examples could be added into a crowner for the thread.

Edited by callmeamuffin on Jan 26th 2021 at 9:11:12 PM

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#114: Jan 28th 2021 at 2:31:33 AM

Bump

Edited by callmeamuffin on Jan 28th 2021 at 8:32:01 PM

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#115: Jan 28th 2021 at 2:33:50 AM

[up][up]That sounds like a good idea.

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#117: Jan 29th 2021 at 11:50:46 AM

I agree with the crowner idea for banned video examples.

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#118: Jan 29th 2021 at 2:23:50 PM

Yeah, that's how No Real Life Examples, Please! already works. I could easily see that working for video examples too.

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#119: Jan 29th 2021 at 2:25:26 PM

Granted, the RL thread has had issues lately with mass, unexplained downvoting, as well as the thread moving at lightning speed, so hopefully we can avoid those issues here.

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#120: Jan 30th 2021 at 6:16:43 PM

[up]Those things are already outside our control, so the only way we'd know if that happens with a similar thread for video examples is if the thread existed.

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#121: Jan 31st 2021 at 7:38:38 AM

I guess my real concern is that if we just slap everything on a crowner, that still glosses over the discussions we need to have about them first. I just feel like a crowner with nothing else sort of misses the entire point of my protest- it wasn't that not enough people decided it but that the "discussion" was one sided and rushed at best.

But if we make an actual thread for these things we can take our time, have actual discussion, then launch a crowner once we all shared our takes.

...But yes, the whole issue of mysterious crowner votes is a concern too, just to a lesser extent. We've had issues with Crowners lately and I just wouldn't trust decisions made solely with a crowner and not much else.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#122: Jan 31st 2021 at 7:51:50 AM

Perhaps we just do without a crowner. Crowners are really for larger-scale decisions or when a lot of decisions need to be made in a short time. For something more minor like this one a thread discussion is all what is needed.

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#124: Jan 31st 2021 at 11:13:53 AM

Do we need a crowner to decide if we need a crowner? :p

Anyway, I'm good to just made a "No Video Examples" thread and take this discussion there. Is there anything else left to worry about otherwise?

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#125: Feb 1st 2021 at 2:58:52 AM

Not really. I believe all tropes which ban videos for health concerns could stay under the blanket ban, along with Potty Failure.

Edited by callmeamuffin on Feb 1st 2021 at 8:59:16 PM

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Crown Description:

This crowner is to select a draft video upload policy from available sandboxes. This crowner does not imply that No Video Examples Please will (not) be kept.

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