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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#4076: Jan 22nd 2025 at 8:10:09 AM

Batman: Arkham Child Protection Services Simulator

I'd play it for the name alone. [lol]

Is it messed up that Joker and Batman both qualify as terrible father figures depending on the writer. Joker might arguably even be a better father in at least one depiction... holy crap two of them actually, the Harley Quinn Animated Series and that freaky manga where Bruce turns into a baby.

Edited by FOFD on Jan 22nd 2025 at 11:11:22 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#4077: Jan 22nd 2025 at 8:10:51 AM

Could totally make a game where Batman and the child of the Joker is the new Robin.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Ego-Man25 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#4078: Jan 22nd 2025 at 10:36:39 AM

[up][up][up] If I'm changing one thing about the plot of the game, the obvious springs to mind: Wonder Woman isn't the exception to the rule of Justice Leagues not actually dying.

Self-professed Wild Card who thinks cynicism isn't so bad.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#4079: Jan 22nd 2025 at 11:19:29 AM

They actually addressed that one in "Harley's Revenge" DLC with Harley turning out to have been given a false positive.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#4080: Jan 22nd 2025 at 11:21:34 AM

[up] That one honestly feels like a bit of a copout.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#4081: Jan 22nd 2025 at 11:40:47 AM

Yeah the fucking credits end with her singing a lullaby.

That's why I said that Rocksteady chickened out on it.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#4082: Jan 22nd 2025 at 2:28:20 PM

It's a course correction more than a copout because, well, the Joker isn't genetically bad. We've met various children of the Joker and by and large they tend to be normal-ish. There's nothing terrifying about him having a kid. Look at Anarchy.

But ironically it could have beem used as an explanation for why Suicide Squad Harley is good now.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 22nd 2025 at 2:28:56 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#4083: Jan 22nd 2025 at 2:44:58 PM

Okay so I've finally strapped myself down and played the game. I find the combat fairly fun, maining Boomer cause his teleporting is the funnest playstyle.

Very grindy though. The constant numbers and point scores gets mind-numbing at a certain point.

Also the talents are underwhelming. They are largely just blank stat increased and bizarre particle effects. Like Boomerang if he gets a high enough combo 777 slot numbers appear over him and a separate talent has party balloons exploding from him.

Its extremally obnoxious visual noise and I'm wondering what the hell Rocksteady was thinking implementing this.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ego-Man25 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
Have Faun
#4085: Jan 22nd 2025 at 3:35:34 PM

[up][up][up]I think it would have been a great way to take Harley's character though. It'd definitely give her a sympathetic quality (I assume she would be portrayed as loving, in some form or other, the baby, even if she wouldn't exactly be a great parent), but overall how it changed her would be interesting. Especially since Arkham Knight deals a lot with Joker's legacy, so that would be a nice addition to that.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#4086: Jan 22nd 2025 at 3:45:26 PM

White Knight also had Harley getting pregnant.

Just Makima.
PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#4087: Jan 22nd 2025 at 3:49:57 PM

Injustice had Harley's redemption come about because she got pregnant, though she left her baby with her sister to keep her daughter away from her messes.

Oissu!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#4088: Jan 22nd 2025 at 5:01:05 PM

I find the combat fairly fun, maining Boomer cause his teleporting is the funnest playstyle.

Boomer nation!

Yeah, I’ve found the teleporting Speed Force gimmick he has to be why he’s the winning character gameplay wise.

And yeah combat is fun but holy shit does the live service model make it tedious once you hit endgame.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#4089: Jan 22nd 2025 at 5:21:52 PM

It's telling I'm at Kid Ivy's introduction where they introduce allictions and it feels like the game's already stopped introducing new content.

There's not much to do in the world. You just go straight to the next story mission and only occasionally do a support mission to introduce some new addition. These don't do anything interesting storywise though meaning unlike the Arkham games there no subplots or anything.

The game feels like it's simultaneously running out of content while simultaneously drip-feeding me new mechanics and weapon factions as an extended game long tutorial.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TheGunheart Some nights I rule the world (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Some nights I rule the world
#4090: Jan 22nd 2025 at 7:56:56 PM

I'm past the Flash, but I do feel that too. I incidently had the most fun leveling up the whole squad to 30 since the side missions keep sticking you with annoying limitations that keep you from using the full potential of your weapons and skills.

Honestly though I have my own controversial idea since I've enjoyed Evil Batman in this game a lot: I seriously think just, straight up, Elseworld Evil Batman who defeated his own Justice League would've made for a pretty cool main villain!?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#4091: Jan 22nd 2025 at 8:01:52 PM

The Batman who laughs is basically that. I really wanted to hear Kevin Conroy play him.

Bruce Timm did a design for him DCAU style.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TheGunheart Some nights I rule the world (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Some nights I rule the world
#4092: Jan 22nd 2025 at 8:14:26 PM

also I admit I'm still not convinced Harley underwent a Heel–Face Turn. She's not obsessed with the Joker, sure, but she still comes off in banter as a hedonistic Blood Knight who thinks wistfully about past atrocities and seems gung ho on the idea of killing the Justice League not for the good of the world, but simply for the glory of being the Super Villain who caps the Justice Leage.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#4093: Jan 22nd 2025 at 8:27:45 PM

Yeah this is one of her lines she can randomly say while in the open world, to paraphrase.

"Sometimes I think about all those people who have their lives ruined, are left with nothing because of the chaos in the world...... It gives me a little smile thinking about it."

Most of her dialogue is along this effect, painting her as someone who loves carnage and general bloodshed. I think her "redeeming" traits are intended to be her no longer being aligned with Joker, and caring for Ivy which even then whenever someone mentions Ivy being a genocidal ecoterrorist her response is "That Ivy God I love her for being a vicious mass murderer."

And of course her fanboying for Wonder Woman because thats now a consistent character trait of hers and we're intended to think of her as charming for saying stuff like "step on me mommy" when seeing Diana.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TheGunheart Some nights I rule the world (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Some nights I rule the world
#4094: Jan 22nd 2025 at 8:35:12 PM

I'm just not entirely convinced we're even supposed to read her as redeemed so much as A Lighter Shade of Black in this game.

Edited by TheGunheart on Jan 22nd 2025 at 8:35:25 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#4095: Jan 22nd 2025 at 9:02:23 PM

Playing the game I feel like a huge issue is that no one here is really rootable.

On one hand we have the Suicide Squad who barring King Shark are remorseless criminals. Like we have to listen so much to Deadshot whining about GL ruining his life but considering he's an assassin absolutely nothing about him is pitiable.

Then we have their government handlers who routinely abuse and degrade them, barely showing them an ounce of respect of or consideration. Sure the Squad are villains but Waller's forces are a government spook-show violating their human rights, even guys like Deadshot and Boomerang don't deserve to be essentially enslaved and put to work against their will.

About the most sympathetic is King Shark but the story never leans into him being a strong moral center for the cast, and its very inconsistent about his morality. At times he appears appalled by the behavior of his times, other times he's as gleefully sadistic as the rest of them.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TheGunheart Some nights I rule the world (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Some nights I rule the world
#4096: Jan 22nd 2025 at 11:46:06 PM

I feel there are so many ways they could have made this Deadshot's rivalry with Green Lantern interesting that they didn't go with, like I dunno, both having served in the same unit and knowing Stewart has a ton of skeletons in his closet while getting all the glory. Or as I suggest earlier, maybe leaning into the fact they're both murderers at the end of the day, but Stewart got medals and a magic ring because he did it "for his country".

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#4097: Jan 22nd 2025 at 11:47:43 PM

Or have Deadshot bitter that Stewart was able to adjust to civilian life only to "waste" the opportunity by accepting the GL ring.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#4098: Jan 22nd 2025 at 11:54:17 PM

Or have John be ashamed of the stuff he did while in the military and how he was rewarded for it, which inspired him to become a hero as Green Lantern.

While Deadshot has no problem with what he did as a soldier, only pissed off he didn't get recognition or money for it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#4099: Jan 22nd 2025 at 11:59:25 PM

Basically, have it so that Deadshot resents John for having what he always wanted, only for John to be willing to give it up for the Green Lanterns.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#4100: Jan 23rd 2025 at 12:42:33 AM

Annnnd I'm at Toyman's introduction. Wow I feel bad for the poor kid.

And the Squad have absolutely no issue injecting the bomb in his neck despite the kid just being an over enthusiastic fanboy who doesn't know better.

Even Flagg who is normally the voice of moral decency in most stories has no problem treating Toyman like another convict.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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