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Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#51: Aug 23rd 2020 at 8:37:33 PM

Do we have enough consensus to turn this into a definition only page?

Serac she/her Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
she/her
#52: Aug 23rd 2020 at 8:59:19 PM

Sure, let's make this definition-only. I believe I'm the 12th vote.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#53: Aug 26th 2020 at 12:36:46 AM

Serac, Karxrida, Tomodachi, Gaston Rabbit, Fernando Lemon, War Jay 77, ccorb, jandn2014, Crossover-Enthusiast, Adept?, Fireblood, mightymewtron seem like they supported the motion. Some others wanted IUEO though

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TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
#54: Aug 26th 2020 at 5:19:04 PM

[up] I'm fine with definition only. I think we agreed that in-universe examples can go to Persecution Flip.

Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
#56: Aug 28th 2020 at 4:14:49 AM

Counting the last two that's fourteen in favor, with no one objecting. I think we have consensus.

SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#57: Aug 28th 2020 at 4:25:49 AM

OK, carried out the example cut. Question is what to do if anything with wicks.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
#58: Aug 28th 2020 at 5:28:44 AM

Maybe find the wicks that would be suited better under Persecution Flip and change them to that.

Rock'n'roll never dies!
FernandoLemon Nobody Here from Argentina (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: In season
#59: Aug 28th 2020 at 5:33:50 AM

[up][up] Move to Persecution Flip if applicable, otherwise cut. And if any is unclear, bring it up here, we'll decide what to do with it.

Edited by FernandoLemon on Aug 28th 2020 at 9:35:22 AM

I'd like to apologize for all this.
ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
#60: Aug 28th 2020 at 7:27:19 AM

Found this under Ad Hominem:

  • People facing ad hominem accusations of misogyny, racism or homophobia commonly respond with counter-charges of misandry, reverse racismnote  and heterophobia, respectively, thereby fighting fallacy with fallacy. Some, however, define sexism and racism solely to be "prejudice plus power" so that the dominant group alone is guilty of it. This becomes an issue of definitions then.

Wick is in bold.

I'm gonna cut it.

Edited by ccorb on Aug 28th 2020 at 10:28:12 AM

Rock'n'roll never dies!
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#61: Sep 28th 2020 at 12:53:56 AM

Tagging this for cleanup. Wicks need to be processed, with examples being moved to Persecution Flip if they fit there.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#62: Sep 28th 2020 at 5:13:42 PM

It's only got 200+ wicks, so not too much work. But what should we do about Het Is Ew on Just for Fun pages, or stuff like Pantheon pages?

Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 28th 2020 at 8:48:52 AM

Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#63: Sep 28th 2020 at 10:54:34 PM

I suggest removing them from all pages except archives and sandboxes.

FernandoLemon Nobody Here from Argentina (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: In season
#64: Sep 29th 2020 at 4:31:47 AM

What about when it's used in shipping-related contexts, as it's meant to be?

I'd like to apologize for all this.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#65: Sep 29th 2020 at 4:40:37 AM

Fan Speak terms can still be used and referenced; they just cannot be listed as examples and examples should be removed.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#66: Sep 29th 2020 at 5:09:26 AM

What about potholes? Most of them are just editors being cheeky, but there were a few used as relevant redirects for clauses that were appropriate descriptions of fandom behaviors and were located on the correct page to talk about that thing.

ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
#67: Sep 29th 2020 at 5:37:36 AM

[up] I would say keep it in potholes and within examples if it's referring to Yaoi Fangirls, slash shippers, and the like.

Rock'n'roll never dies!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#68: Sep 29th 2020 at 6:21:09 AM

Ah, well. Already purged a few, but they were debatably weak cases or suffered from overloaded potholing anyway.

FernandoLemon Nobody Here from Argentina (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: In season
#69: Sep 29th 2020 at 11:33:19 AM

The definition on the Queer as Tropes index needs to be changed, as it's using the wrong definition.

Should we also change the page's quote, since it also reflects the wrong definition?

I'd like to apologize for all this.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#70: Sep 29th 2020 at 2:11:45 PM

Yeah, find a quote that talks about shippers specifically as opposed to general revulsion for heterosexuality (which is just Persecution Flip).

wingedcatgirl I'm helping! from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
I'm helping!
#71: Sep 29th 2020 at 6:05:11 PM

Does this work for Queer as Tropes?

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#72: Sep 29th 2020 at 6:14:29 PM

I'd get rid of the jokingly part personally. The reason the jokes exist is as either self-deprecation or a self-aware jab at those who think that way unironically and gave rise to the trope in the first place.

FernandoLemon Nobody Here from Argentina (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: In season
GastonRabbit One album, Please (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I've got the brains, you've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
FernandoLemon Nobody Here from Argentina (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: In season
#75: Oct 12th 2020 at 8:08:38 AM

Put the new description in; which I'll also add to the page's Laconic. I'm currently sifting through wicks and incorrect potholes.

Edited by FernandoLemon on Oct 12th 2020 at 12:15:57 PM

I'd like to apologize for all this.

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